Western Sydney Airport (WSI) Discussion

[dajop]

On WSI lounges, notices this snippet in the PER Airport Master Plan (draft) just published.



I wonder whether some of the smaller Australian airports (eg. PEE, WSI, ADL, OOL) are pushing this.

The big difference in Australia I guess is the differential level of security (particularly liquids) and access (ticket required for international)

I guess the closest you get to this is OOL, where you go through to the domestic departure lounge, before proceeding through additional security and immigration to the international gates which is a much smaller space.

 

[SeaWolf]

I guess the closest you get to this is OOL, where you go through to the domestic departure lounge, before proceeding through additional security and immigration to the international gates which is a much smaller space.

ADL and CBR have that as well.
I'd be curious to know what airports overseas are doing the co-mingling of domestic and international passengers. I don't think I've ever seen it.

 

[Aeryn]

I'd be curious to know what airports overseas are doing the co-mingling of domestic and international passengers. I don't think I've ever seen it.

US airports commonly have domestic and international passengers in the same terminal - this is because USA doesnt do outgoing immigration checks (just ID check at check-in) ; they rely on airline data to know that you actually left.

And they dont offer true transit do force you to clear immigration and enter the USA even if flying onwards straight away.

 

[SeaWolf]

US airports commonly have domestic and international passengers in the same terminal - this is because USA doesnt do outgoing immigration checks (just ID check at check-in) ; they rely on airline data to know that you actually left.

Oh yes, good point. I'd forgotten about the US system of doing it. I think they're the only country (that I know of) that doesn't do outbound immigration checks.

 

[Aeryn]

Oh yes, good point. I'd forgotten about the US system of doing it. I think they're the only country (that I know of) that doesn't do outbound immigration checks.

At Buenos Aires' Aeroparque Jorge Newbery (AEP) its mostly domestic but they have a small number of inter-South American flights including to Brazil.

Common check-in and initial screening for the domestic, then once upstairs (quite hidden) an extra screening area for the 2 tiny gates that have international flights.

 

[SYD]

ADL and CBR have that as well.
I'd be curious to know what airports overseas are doing the co-mingling of domestic and international passengers. I don't think I've ever seen it.

I’m not sure what else they mean besides exactly that? Swing gates either directly to standard domestic arrivals / departures or from the secure ABF control space for departures (and seperate international arrivals).

 

[moa999]

guess the closest you get to this is OOL,

I read PERs description as looking for something different - notably the word "common" - ie. Combining domestic and international departure areas.

Possibly check-in, international immigration, back to common departure area, and then maybe a final separate security check to gate lounge (like say SIN)

 

[SYD]

I read PERs description as looking for something different - notably the word "common" - ie. Combining domestic and international departure areas.

Possibly check-in, international immigration, back to common departure area, and then maybe a final separate security check to gate lounge (like say SIN)

and ABF smartgates / biometrics?

 

[Himeno]

I’m not sure what else they mean besides exactly that? Swing gates either directly to standard domestic arrivals / departures or from the secure ABF control space for departures (and seperate international arrivals).

NRT T2 has a number of swing gates
They can close doors across the main international departures corridor and block off gates 64-68 for domestic use.

Domestic and International have their own separate check in, security, lounge/shops, and baggage areas.

Don't know what the swing gates at CBR look like. They are on the VA side of the terminal and the last time I used VA, they were still DJ.

 

[kookaburra75]

Don't know what the swing gates at CBR look like. They are on the VA side of the terminal and the last time I used VA, they were still DJ.

International flights from Canberra depart from Gate 5. To check in for international you head up to the International Departures door which is opposite the entrance to the Virgin Lounge, where you can then clear immigration etc. To get to your flight, you go down to Gate 5 and that part of the airport is closed off to other passengers, for departures and arrivals.

 

[SYD]

International flights from Canberra depart from Gate 5. To check in for international you head up to the International Departures door which is opposite the entrance to the Virgin Lounge, where you can then clear immigration etc. To get to your flight, you go down to Gate 5 and that part of the airport is closed off to other passengers, for departures and arrivals.
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For clarity, “check in” (bag drop etc) is still before security? Then head to the lounge of choice / available before heading to the international departures area. Those doors near the VA lounges are the separation between Dom and Int PAX.

 

[Himeno]

International flights from Canberra depart from Gate 5. To check in for international you head up to the International Departures door which is opposite the entrance to the Virgin Lounge, where you can then clear immigration etc. To get to your flight, you go down to Gate 5 and that part of the airport is closed off to other passengers, for departures and arrivals.
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Last time I arrived at CBR, there was an FJ aircraft parked at gate 7.