Locking the J toilet door

[Daver6]

Would that announcement been made to allow J passengers to use them 1st to change into their PJ (basically to minimise the line)

I don't think that was the reason. Flight leave LHR around midday, so the cabin doesn't go dark for a good 5 hours or so post departure. Where that idea would be more useful would actually be prior to London.

I think it was either to not get in the way of the meal service (I really don't see that being an issue given carts aren't used and Y+ pax only need to pass two rows of J to access the loos). Suspect maybe just to give a more premium J experience.

I was in row 1 for this flight so I can't comment if there was much difference. On the way to LHR I was bulkhead in the rear J cabin. There was no announcement made and in all honesty, I can't say the Y+ pax using the J loo made much difference to my experience.

 

[XWu]

Interesting flight on Thursday night on a BNE-SYD this week.

It’s a very full flight, and it appears that they are repositioning other flight crews as well and kicked out a couple of Y pax (hopefully with appropriate compensation) to accommodate them and that’s after the pax are mostly in their seats… not so great planning for station managers.

One of the newer metal with nothing seperating J and Y zone in the cabin other than the J seats. No plastic no curtain and definitely no rope. Not even an area for jackets (in some older planes on the old days).

Multiple Y pax using J toilet and this is despite the usual “suggestions” in the announcements that the forward rooms are for J and the back for the Y. In fact one Y pax used the toilet before we took off. Zero attempts by FA to regulate their use. (I was on Y+ seating so can see everything).

Yet when disembarking one FA, (don’t think he was the CSM), position himself in the aisle at the J-Y junction and effectively (and intentionally) blocking off the aisle for the Y until almost all the J pax left (one J pax remained at her seat, he asked if she was leaving or needed help, she indicated she was going to take it easy and wasn’t rushing to leave).

Only then the FA step aside ( or rather walked up the front end) to allow the plebs (myself included) to leave. No acknowledgment (his back was facing the Y cabin the whole time) or words addressing the pax seating in Y zone (and interestingly also effectively holding up his colleagues who were repositioning for onward flights)

Is this FA blocking the aisle for disembarking J pax a new thing for the last 2 months (I stopped booking most flights with VA since the new status credit calculation) or did i just witness something weird?

(J toilet wasn’t locked AFAIK but the front - “kitchenette” area had curtains drawn most of the time, so most of the Y pax were walking up and opening the curtain to use the toilet, with no resistance from the FA. Clearly the CSM had no intention to follow up on what he was saying with the standard script)

 

[serfty]

Is this FA blocking the aisle for disembarking J pax a new thing for the last 2 months (I stopped booking most flights with VA since the new status credit calculation) or did i just witness something weird?

It's been like that since the J cabin was introduced.

Qantas used to do it as well, but that was back in the 90's.

 

[XWu]

It's been like that since the J cabin was introduced.

Qantas used to do it as well, but that was back in the 90's.

Ok thanks. I must have been blind or oblivious to what happening when I was seating in the VA Y cabin then. Honestly didn’t know this was a regular thing until this week

 

[Captain Halliday]

Interesting flight on Thursday night on a BNE-SYD this week.

(I was on Y+ seating so can see everything).

I’m confused.

QF doesn’t operate Y+ on BNE-SYD.

 

[justinbrett]

I don’t find it a huge problem on Australian airlines as it’s in our culture to queue and let people in front leave first. Sure not everyone but the vast majority.

I’ve been on some airlines in my current trip where this is definitely not the case. One had a Y pax reach the door before a single J pax had managed to stand up.

 

[zig]

I’m confused.

QF doesn’t operate Y+ on BNE-SYD.

I think the reference was to VA - Economy X, not QF.

 

[Hampton Mike]

I’m confused.

QF doesn’t operate Y+ on BNE-SYD.

I think this relates to a VA flight - there’s a giveaway sentence:

“Is this FA blocking the aisle for disembarking J pax a new thing for the last 2 months (I stopped booking most flights with VA since the new status credit calculation) or did i just witness something weird?”

 

[Zulu0929]

I don’t find it a huge problem on Australian airlines as it’s in our culture to queue and let people in front leave first. Sure not everyone but the vast majority.

I’ve been on some airlines in my current trip where this is definitely not the case. One had a Y pax reach the door before a single J pax had managed to stand up.

That happens regularly in the Middle East having seen it many times over decades of working there. Geasers are up and walking to the exit doors as the plane is landing (because they are special) and the FAs do not generally try to stop them because it can cause offence challenging a local.

 

[justinbrett]

That happens regularly in the Middle East having seen it many times over decades of working there. Geasers are up and walking to the exit doors as the plane is landing (because they are special) and the FAs do not generally try to stop them because it can cause offence challenging a local.

Yep Royal Jordanian was the main culprit, I flew them last week.

 

[XWu]

I’m confused.

QF doesn’t operate Y+ on BNE-SYD.

Apologies it was a VA flight, didn’t made it clear from the beginning

 

[XWu]

I don’t find it a huge problem on Australian airlines as it’s in our culture to queue and let people in front leave first. Sure not everyone but the vast majority.

I’ve been on some airlines in my current trip where this is definitely not the case. One had a Y pax reach the door before a single J pax had managed to stand up.

I had assumed the FA was there to assist J pax get of the plane, by helping with carry-on in the overhead lockers (in older planes there also would have jackets stowed behind Row 2 in front of the panels seperating J cabin from Y) but all this FA did was to function as a barrier to Y pax, and I didn’t realise was he was doing until the very last J pax wasn’t getting up to get off, there was a minute or so that the J aisle was clear of any J pax while he was waiting for her to get up from her seat (then she indicated she was happy to let others to go first)

Again I must have missed the FA’s multi purpose when flying VA J previously and didn’t notice anything when flying Y. This is the first time I watched a FA literally acting like a roadblock without assisting the J pax.

Sorry if I seemed to make a mountain out of a molehill here. I was more observant that flight as I was intrigued how many Y pax was using the J toilet on that flight after this thread

 

[flyingfan]

Apologies it was a VA flight, didn’t made it clear from the beginning

I did wonder about your post because this is a QF thread. As far as I can recall on my VA flights, this FA block has been a regular feature which I appreciated when in J and understood when not. IMHO it’s a great way to look after J pax and I feel a bit sorry for the FA whose job is to be a physical barrier.

I’d draw the line if the FA still blocked access if a J passenger was clearly not in a hurry to leave when there’s a whole Y cabin waiting behind them, as was becoming the case here (depending on whether the rear door is also being used).

 

[XWu]

I did wonder about your post because this is a QF thread. As far as I can recall on my VA flights, this FA block has been a regular feature which I appreciated when in J and understood when not. IMHO it’s a great way to look after J pax and I feel a bit sorry for the FA whose job is to be a physical barrier.

I’d draw the line if the FA still blocked access if a J passenger was clearly not in a hurry to leave when there’s a whole Y cabin waiting behind them, as was becoming the case here (depending on whether the rear door is also being used).

Ah, another novice mistake I made. Forgot it was a QF thread. I posted here only because I had read and post here before on the matter of Y pax using J toilets.
Apologies to all.

 

[servicerequired]

I had assumed the FA was there to assist J pax get of the plane, by helping with carry-on in the overhead lockers (in older planes there also would have jackets stowed behind Row 2 in front of the panels seperating J cabin from Y) but all this FA did was to function as a barrier to Y pax, and I didn’t realise was he was doing until the very last J pax wasn’t getting up to get off, there was a minute or so that the J aisle was clear of any J pax while he was waiting for her to get up from her seat (then she indicated she was happy to let others to go first)

Again I must have missed the FA’s multi purpose when flying VA J previously and didn’t notice anything when flying Y. This is the first time I watched a FA literally acting like a roadblock without assisting the J pax.

Sorry if I seemed to make a mountain out of a molehill here. I was more observant that flight as I was intrigued how many Y pax was using the J toilet on that flight after this thread

This has happened for years, it’s nothing new - it’s one consistent feature of VA J - including PDB, that QF could take note of.

 

[serfty]

Ah, another novice mistake I made. Forgot it was a QF thread. I posted here only because I had read and post here before on the matter of Y pax using J toilets.
Apologies to all.

No Problem. Given the title is generic, I have moved it to a more appropriate forum.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

This has happened for years, it’s nothing new - it’s one consistent feature of VA J - including PDB, that QF could take note of.

I’m not sure it’s consistent lol.

Based on 120+ plus flights, it’s been around 50/50 for priority disembarkation.

But an almost 100% correlation between those crews who chose to give the acknowledgement of country, and subsequently facilitate priority disembarkation. Crews that didn’t do the acknowledgement of country didn’t stand in the aisle.