Qantas to outsource ground handling across Australia

[brokenagain]

Just goes to show how morally bankrupt QF leadership was under Joyce, and to be honest, still is under the current regime.

 

[AIRwin]

QF apology:

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/featured/qantas-statement-on-ground-handling-compensation-judgment/

 

[anat0l]

QF apology:

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/featured/qantas-statement-on-ground-handling-compensation-judgment/

I wonder if this incident will rank up there with other scandals of the likes of Robodebt or the Postmasters Horizon.

I guess QF had to write the above, but it still seems to ring very hollow.

 

[kamchatsky]

Personally I hate the virtue signalling that QF has been shafting it to all of us from AJ over the years, and at the same time shafts their employees in this case the ground in such a harsh way, as well as shafting their customers.

Maybe they should just focus on being an airline and don't give us all the virtue signalling going forward.

 

[kangarooflyer88]

QF apology:

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/featured/qantas-statement-on-ground-handling-compensation-judgment/

For those seeking a palate cleanser from today's humbling apology by QF to workers they unlawfully fired (their words not mine), I bring you this gem:

https://www.qantas.com/au/en/about-us/news-room/news-room-archives.html?archive=oct-2011/5218

 

[TheRealTMA]

QF apology:

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/featured/qantas-statement-on-ground-handling-compensation-judgment/

Why don’t the company directors at the time be held responsible and be censured and fined and pay a penalty? Of course not. Just add extra to airfares and they get off scot free to sit on other boards and do similar.

 

[anat0l]

Why don’t the company directors at the time be held responsible and be censured and fined and pay a penalty? Of course not. Just add extra to airfares and they get off scot free to sit on other boards and do similar.

Name a single CEO or board member that has ever faced the consequences of an inhumane, immoral and/or illegal action, seriously.

I don't know how board members are viewed by other companies when they have their records "stained". I assume it's a case of only the positive aspects of their tenure get considered when looking at another job, not the fact that they may be bringing their baggage of disrepute with them to a new company.

 

[AIRwin]

Just in time for Christmas:

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media-releases/statement-on-successful-settlement-with-twu-for-former-ground-handlers/

 

[jb747]

Presumably Alan will be personally donating his entire salary to this settlement.

 

[Quickstatus]

The legal case still ongoing:

From the The Australian. The timeline so far...

The Judge was also not convinced that Qantas was "sorry" now because when it was "sorry" in 2024 Qantas was proposing no compensation because the out sourcing would have still eventually happened

 

[kangarooflyer88]

Some people will ask of the case, was it really worth it for Qantas to illegally sack those workers? Well if we look at the the cost savings (if true) of $100M per year, and the "fine" they are paying at just $121M one-off payment, then I guess the answer is a resounding yes!

 

[RooFlyer]

Some people will ask of the case, was it really worth it for Qantas to illegally sack those workers? Well if we look at the the cost savings (if true) of $100M per year, and the "fine" they are paying at just $121M one-off payment, then I guess the answer is a resounding yes!

Fair point - but were the cost savings in-house costs or net? They still had to emply contractors to do the job. Then there is the reputational cost.

 

[TheRealTMA]

Some people will ask of the case, was it really worth it for Qantas to illegally sack those workers? Well if we look at the the cost savings (if true) of $100M per year, and the "fine" they are paying at just $121M one-off payment, then I guess the answer is a resounding yes!

Despite getting approximately $2.7 billion from taxpayers as a gift, they proceeded with this very sneezy illegal scheme showing their complete disregard for staff and workers, then awarded million in bonuses to senior execs. Reputational damage to QF doesn’t seem to have on their mind, imho.

 

[Saab34]

Some people will ask of the case, was it really worth it for Qantas to illegally sack those workers? Well if we look at the the cost savings (if true) of $100M per year, and the "fine" they are paying at just $121M one-off payment, then I guess the answer is a resounding yes!

All executives will say it was worth it bar one- Paul Jones. It has cost him the chance of running a local domestic carrier here and his career is done on that front.

The penalties for such behaviour should really be much higher to deter such activity again. As mentioned above, they would look at it as a saving, ie $120m fine for saving $100m per year, seems like a good investment for the C suite, illegal or not. Fine should be in the billion range.

 

[RooFlyer]

All executives will say it was worth it bar one- Paul Jones. It has cost him the chance of running a local domestic carrier here and his career is done on that front.

The penalties for such behaviour should really be much higher to deter such activity again. As mentioned above, they would look at it as a saving, ie $120m fine for saving $100m per year, seems like a good investment for the C suite, illegal or not. Fine should be in the billion range.

Not disagreeing with you, but if they were going to do it anyway, as they claim, they will just about break even on a cash basis.

 

[anat0l]

All executives will say it was worth it bar one- Paul Jones. It has cost him the chance of running a local domestic carrier here and his career is done on that front.

Poor diddums. He'll probably still be able to make a name of himself as head of some other company. Who wants to be in the airline game anyway.

The penalties for such behaviour should really be much higher to deter such activity again. As mentioned above, they would look at it as a saving, ie $120m fine for saving $100m per year, seems like a good investment for the C suite, illegal or not. Fine should be in the billion range.

I suggested that fines should be much, much more in order to actually dent and impact the company. This could even extend to jailing of executives, suspension of business / AOC or seizure of operation rights (e.g. landing slots at SYD or cancellation of permissions to operate international flights) and assets.

Apparently that goes too far.

 

[moa999]

Name a single CEO or board member that has ever faced the consequences of an inhumane, immoral and/or illegal action, seriously.

Remember the Federal Court decision was 4-3.
This decision was equally within an inch of being viewed as completely legal.

I'm sure the CEO, management and Board at the time (and noting there has been significant turnover) would have relied on some very expensive legal advice that the decision was perfectly fine (Albeit with numerous carveouts and conditions that would also protect said law firm)

 

[Saab34]

Poor diddums. He'll probably still be able to make a name of himself as head of some other company. Who wants to be in the airline game anyway.

I suggested that fines should be much, much more in order to actually dent and impact the company. This could even extend to jailing of executives, suspension of business / AOC or seizure of operation rights (e.g. landing slots at SYD or cancellation of permissions to operate international flights) and assets.

Apparently that goes too far.

I think once you start going into the personal lives and bank accounts of these C suite individuals involved, a message is sent across the industry.

Corporate Jailings or personal financial penalties are not overly heard of here. Should be people from Virgin 1.0, Bonza, Rex either jailed or large personal financial penalties imposed. Some Politicians also!