General COVID-19 Vaccine Discussion

[mviy]

Factors would include how big the reserves are in extremely cold storage at distribution centres waiting to be distributed. Doses can last a long time at those facilities. Those doses will be distributed before the doses of the new vaccine.

 

[Oneworldplus2]

I'd take it tomorrow if it was available.

Why?

Do you line up every year to get the flu shot as soon as it comes out?

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[JohnK]

Why?

Do you line up every year to get the flu shot as soon as it comes out?

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I pretty much get flu shot every year when it becomes available. Why wait? I don't need to let my immune system struggle. I don't need to prove anything to anyone.

I would love if covid vaccine was combined with flu vaccine each year. That would be fantastic.

I'm also a firm believer in compulsory vaccinations. My body, my choice is a poor cop-out. We should be helping each other.

 

[Oneworldplus2]

I'm also a firm believer in compulsory vaccinations. My body, my choice is a poor cop-out. We should be helping each other.

That depends on which vaccine we are talking about.

Measles/mumps, rubella, chickenpox (varicella) - Yes, 100%
Diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis (whooping cough) - Yes, 100%

Covid compulsory, no way.

As a healthy 40 year old with no underlying health issues, l disagree.

Anyone younger, nope. Not worth the adverse side effects, risk/reward.

Why should l get a jab where the side effects outweigh the benefits and within 3 months the antibodies are already diminishing. That is crazy. Example - get the jab in January - catch Covid in December that year, the jab has well and truly bolted...

Not to mention that 20% of people (if not more) who catch Covid are asymptomatic

As we all now know, Covid effects the elderly elderly, people with underlying health issues and the immunocompromised.

We just have to learn to live with Covid, your going to catch it no matter what. 100%

Below is worth watching.

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[JohnK]

That depends on which vaccine we are talking about.

Measles/mumps, rubella, chickenpox (varicella) - Yes, 100%
Diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis (whooping cough) - Yes, 100%

Covid compulsory, no way.

Chicken pox and any vaccinations necessary for newborns such as hepatitis A and hepatitis B.

Covid is a different story. Everything is fairly experimental. But in saying that if the majority is getting vaccinated makes little sense to resist.

The next few years will define what happens with covid.

 

[kangarooflyer88]

After much contemplating, I have decided to get the Novavax for my 5th dose. I know some folks in the forum may think it's crazy considering we have the Moderna BA.1 booster coming soon, and the BA.4/BA.5 a short day trip to Los Angeles, but I thought I'd explain my rationale here.

First we have no clue what the next variant of COVID is. Will it be similar to BA.1 or BA.5? Maybe. But maybe not! Certainly Omicron threw a spanner in the works when it came to what we hoped was the end of COVID. What we do know is BA.5 will run out of steam eventually. There is only so many people the damn thing can infect. And eventually other variants will compete for which one becomes the new dominant strain. Second, training your immune system to have a wide variety of responses to COVID may be beneficial, particularly for newly unseen variants. In my case I have received two doses of AstraZeneca, a Pfizer booster and Moderna booster. Getting Novavax which is based on a new vaccination technology may mean that I'll enjoy even broader protection against COVID. Third, I can get Novavax right now if I want to. I don't have wait or be hunting around for it. Fourth, MRNA is a relatively new vaccine technology platform, I've already received two doses from that platform thus far and frankly don't want to place more chips in that basket.

As a healthy 40 year old with no underlying health issues, l disagree.

Anyone younger, nope. Not worth the adverse side effects, risk/reward.

I'm a 34 year old who was diagnosed with Crohn's disease in 2008. I'm not so worried about whether I'll become severely ill from COVID as the 4 doses of vaccine received thus far will likely protect me. What scares me the most is how my immune system will respond to it. Will it end up going into overdrive and trigger my Crohn's that has been dormant since 2008? I think if you speak to anyone who has suffered with IBD be it Crohn's or Ulcerative Colitis, they'll tell you that when the disease flares up it is certainly no party. My last run-in with Crohn's in 2008 had me airlifted to the ICU of a major Canadian hospital where I stayed for 3 weeks. Being attached to various medical devices and bed ridden for that time was no fun. Waking up from an induced coma to discover you are in a different city than where you went to bed two weeks earlier is no fun. Having a nurse stick a tube down your nose is no fun and being worried the tube will trigger your gag reflex is no fun.

Why should l get a jab where the side effects outweigh the benefits and within 3 months the antibodies are already diminishing. That is crazy. Example - get the jab in January - catch Covid in December that year, the jab has well and truly bolted...

You are right that we need to take a risk/benefit analysis. Not everyone is high risk. At the same time though, I don't think it's fair to say that a Pfizer vaccine is exactly the same as AstraZeneca or Novavax.

We just have to learn to live with Covid, your going to catch it no matter what. 100%

I'm unwilling to accept that. This defeatist attitude where we let COVID dictate the rules is wrong. We still don't know what the impact of long COVID is on individuals. We still don't know how much COVID will costs governments who must treat these patients. It likely will be significant. At the same time, every time COVID spreads we give it yet another opportunity to mutate and potentially create a new variant that forces us back to our homes. There are measures we can take now like wearing good quality masks, practicing social distancing and engineering our environments to make COVID difficult to spread. And look I have been on 45 flights since COVID landed in Australia last year. I test myself every single week for COVID regardless of symptoms, and I have always come back negative. So these measures clearly work.

-RooFlyer88

 

[flydoc]

Getting Novavax which is based on a new vaccination technology

“New” as in different - ie you personally not having had it previously (rather than it being a recent invention).

Novavax is protein-based, a vaccine technology that is, shall we say, time-proven.

What sets apart Novavax option from other COVID-19 vaccines

Learn why unvaccinated adults may roll up their sleeves for the Novavax vaccine, and how it differs from the three other choices available in the U.S.

www.ama-assn.org

 

[Oneworldplus2]

I'm unwilling to accept that

Well, sorry to be rude, but you are in denial.

Your getting covid-19 (or a variant of it), one way or another. You might have even had Covid-19 and not know it. Have you done a antibody test?

 

[drron]

There are newer vaccines on the horizon that may very well be better than the bivalent vaccine early research shows. UBC,Canada has worked on these along with many other centres. Here are 2 newish developments.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/covid-19-weak-spot-discovered-by-researchers-ubc-says-1.6554890

‘All-In-One’ Vaccine Could Protect Against Future Covid-19 Variants, Researchers Say

Researchers from the California Institute of Technology say the “mosaic-8” vaccine could protect people from other coronaviruses, including SARS and MERS.

www.forbes.com

One of the UBC senior researchers into vaccines is the wife of a nephew of ours.

 

[Port Power]

Well, sorry to be rude, but you are in denial.

Your getting covid-19 (or a variant of it), one way or another. You might have even had Covid-19 and not know it. Have you done a antibody test?

Why do you think @kangarooflyer88 is definitely going to get COVID-19 (or a variant)? I can see no basis for your assumption or comment? I have never had Covid (absolutely not, for sure) although I was on a small expedition cruise where nearly everyone else did catch it. Not everyone in the world has caught Covid either. Whether it is the vaccine, or whether some people just have a natural immunity, there will always be a percentage of people who remain Covid negative. Natural immunity does occur in communities and in nature.

 

[clifford]

I've had COVID twice and my wife who sleeps in the same bed has never had it (according to PCR tests).

I'd say it seems like she has some sort of natural immunity (she doesn't get flu easily either)..

 

[Pushka]

I've had COVID twice and my wife who sleeps in the same bed has never had it (according to PCR tests).

I'd say it seems like she has some sort of natural immunity (she doesn't get flu easily either)..

Similarly husband has had usual flu a few times, (not a heavy cold but flu) and I didn't get it, ( well, never tested for it as that wasnt a thing until covid) and have never had flu. He developed Covid, like a mild flu for him, after 2 weeks I tested positive but had no symptoms. Yet I suffer from colds.

so maybe people have had it, have no symptoms so don't get tested but have antibodies so infected. I wouldn't have tested but was about to visit newborn grandchild and tested.

@kangarooflyer88 - don't assume that having an autoimmune issue immediately puts you in peril. Both my niece and I have Lupus, systemic autoimmune illness, we have both had covid. She experienced issues with blood clotting but managed and I had no symptoms.

 

[JohnK]

@kangarooflyer88 - don't assume that having an autoimmune issue immediately puts you in peril. Both my niece and I have Lupus, systemic autoimmune illness, we have both had covid. She experienced issues with blood clotting but managed and I had no symptoms.

I've had auto-immune issues for most of my life.

I've had more than my fair share of viral and bacterial infections. Many of these infections quite severe. Some needed hospital visits.

I had the flu at least 3 times a year for close to 20 years until starting flu shots in 1999. For some strange reason no one can explain the infections were then more throat/pharynx/larynx infections to the point where I self medicate instead of waiting to see doctor.

I remember one year in the 90's having flu like symptoms from July-October. Every breath smelt like something buring inside. Awful.

One year around 1996-97 had quite bad pharyngitis. Went through 4-5 courses of antibiotics and eventually doctor tried different antibiotics. The antibiotics caused bad fungus in the throat/tongue. I used to scrape my tongue to the point where blood almost came out. I had no saliva but had to dry draw saliva and this caused excruciating pain on the tongue. I cry thinking about it.

I had chicken pox this time in 2010. Not just chicken pox. UTI. Severe pneumonia. Slush in gallbladder. Pancreatitis. I was in hospital for 11 days. Extreme pain. Anti-virals and antibiotics. I have craters in my scalp now from the damage. They let me go too early. The day before hospital when I looked in mirror I was looking at a ghost. This is not my imagination. I almost died but for some reason it was not yet my turn.

I have not had covid. I do not want covid. I may or may not survive. I don't want to find out.

Apologies for rant but most people have no idea. People need to stop being selfish and consider others before themselves. This is not yet over.

 

[N860CR]

I have not had covid. I do not want covid. I may or may not survive. I don't want to find out.

Apologies for rant but most people have no idea. People need to stop being selfish and consider others before themselves. This is not yet over.

Is it perhaps you who is being selfish? We know this is a mild virus in the vast majority of people. It’s not causing major concerns or complications on a large scale. Realistically, it’ll be a mild virus for you as well. Is it reasonable that 99.9% of the population is subjected to this continued covid theatre to make those who are still somewhat scared feel a little warm and fuzzy?

 

[JohnK]

Is it perhaps you who is being selfish? We know this is a mild virus in the vast majority of people. It’s not causing major concerns or complications on a large scale. Realistically, it’ll be a mild virus for you as well. Is it reasonable that 99.9% of the population is subjected to this continued covid theatre to make those who are still somewhat scared feel a little warm and fuzzy?

You've already decided this virus is not dangerous.

Forget those that have suffered and continue to suffer.

Forget those with long covid.

Forget those with issues from multiple infections.

Im selfish? Life goes on. Who said the Spartans are extinct? Let's expel the weak from society to fend for themselves.

 

[N860CR]

You've already decided this virus is not dangerous.

Forget those that have suffered and continue to suffer.

Forget those with long covid.

Forget those with issues from multiple infections.

Im selfish? Life goes on. Who said the Spartans are extinct? Let's expel the weak from society to fend for themselves.

I haven’t decided. Facts have decided.

What is it that you actually want?

 

[JohnK]

I haven’t decided. Facts have decided.

What is it that you actually want?

Facts? LOL. As I said most people have no idea and all they care about is inconvenience to them.

Take this virus seriously. Have some respect for those suffering and continue to suffer. We don't move on until all bases covered.

Very simple.

 

[mviy]

I think for most of us we've had 3 or 4 doses of vaccine, feel reasonably well protected and have had enough of restrictions and want to go back to the way we did things before COVID where you take personal responsibility for your own health and what actions you take to be considerate of others, which probably means getting a booster once a year and if you feel sick like with the flu staying at home till you feel better and otherwise getting on with life, including travelling interstate and overseas for work and leisure.

 

[N860CR]

Facts? LOL. As I said most people have no idea and all they care about is inconvenience to them.

Take this virus seriously. Have some respect for those suffering and continue to suffer. We don't move on until all bases covered.

Very simple.

Yes John. Facts.

What do you mean by “take this virus seriously”? What would you like done to “take it seriously”?

 

[Oneworldplus2]

Unbelievable

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1571186794644873217