Oneworld Classic Flight Reward Discussion - The Definitive Thread

[Formal Hall]

I know this has been discussed upthread in the last 564 pages but does the multi-city tool treat NZ and Australia as one country? Trying to start a OWA in NZ so I can nest two departures from Australia in the one award, but when I do the second departure leg from Australia it says:

• This itinerary can’t include more than one flight departing from the same city or country of the first flight (including transits). Choose another route to continue.

I'm meeting all the transit, stopover, 2 airlines and mileage rules. Can this be got around by calling or is there an online workaround?

 

[Captain Halliday]

I know this has been discussed upthread in the last 564 pages but does the multi-city tool treat NZ and Australia as one country? Trying to start a OWA in NZ so I can nest two departures from Australia in the one award, but when I do the second departure leg from Australia it says:

I'm meeting all the transit, stopover, 2 airlines and mileage rules. Can this be got around by calling or is there an online workaround?

Yes. Several reports that this is the case.

Calling may get a resolution and will likely require with both a proactive agent and escalation, but still no guarantee.

 

[Mr H]

Calling may get a resolution and will likely require with both a proactive agent and escalation, but still no guarantee.

Guessing the Auckland centre may get the nuances of the situation better than some of the other centres.

 

[gilldo]

re: "oneworld" award (140K/280K/420K) Planning - The Definitive Thread



I've been working out an ATW in 'J' for my wife and the conditions as spelt out by QF were:
1. 285000 points,
2. Must use 3 (or more) carriers,
3. Only allowed 5 stop overs,
4. Doesn't actually have to be ATW just a combination that fits the above conditions.

I hope that helps.

Is it a three carrier minimum, or two non-Qantas carriers? (ie. you can include QF, but it doesn't count as one of the minimum two)

 

[Mr H]

Is it a three carrier minimum, or two non-Qantas carriers? (ie. you can include QF, but it doesn't count as one of the minimum two)

At least two non-Qantas OW carriers. The inclusion of a Qantas flight (or any other OW airline) as a third carrier is optional.

 

[Muppet501st]

Total noob at this, but have booked 2 x J 318k - -
BNE-DUB via DOH with QR,
LHR-CVG via PHL with BA and AA,
LAX-BNE with QF.
I have the month of November in the States. Could i add any more segments into this without spending any more points?

I have side trips paid for - DUB-FCO-LHR, and CVG-LAX
Cheers
Ken

 

[Mr H]

Total noob at this, but have booked 2 x J 318k - -
BNE-DUB via DOH with QR,
LHR-CVG via PHL with BA and AA,
LAX-BNE with QF.
I have the month of November in the States. Could i add any more segments into this without spending any more points?

I have side trips paid for - DUB-FCO-LHR, and CVG-LAX
Cheers
Ken

It looks as though you have three unused stopovers - unless your stops in DOH or PHL exceed 24 hours. If you add more segments, you must stay within 35,000 miles and not have more than one stop of 24+ hours in any one city.

 

[Mr H]

You've got more chance of Santa taking you there by sleigh than Christmas J tix for 6

You know the post you replied to is 16 years old?

 

[Guvner]

It shouldn't be - but it is - certainly if you're looking at a serious multi-leg fare.

My 318k (Sept 22) might not be "serious", but I managed to do it all online last month:


MEL-SYD-JNB, CPT-DOH-LHR, MUC-HEL-HND, NRT-MEL

JNB-CPT rev
UK-Munich train(s)

26,091 miles

 

[Muppet501st]

It looks as though you have three unused stopovers - unless your stops in DOH or PHL exceed 24 hours. If you add more segments, you must stay within 35,000 miles and not have more than one stop of 24+ hours in any one city.

90mins at DOH, and 2.5hrs at PHL
So i'd just have to call up QF to add in extra side trip, as long as its under the total 35kmiles.
Thank you

 

[Mr H]

My 318k might not be "serious", but I managed to do it all online:

Gilldo is going through this thread in sequence and replying to 16 year old posts.

 

[siri]

It shouldn't be - but it is - certainly if you're looking at a serious multi-leg fare.

Actually , it is better to book some round the world segments and if you have missing parts , call the FF centre(if u can) and explain that some are not showing up and ask them to book it and also ask politely to remove the booking fee or points and they will do that as well.
I have taken 2 business class tickets on points in 2017 and 2019, Syd-Lon-NY-HK-Tokyo-Syd. Never had any issues except in 2019, NY to HK 15 hr flight(cathay) was not good since catering was very poor for business class. I take this route on business and never had issues before. Try using Haneda in Tokyo rather than Narita since Haneda is now quite good and only 45 mints to Tokyo. Also avoid busy Narita.
BTW, check Hyatts in Shinjuku for good hotel rates and also its a nice place to start your Japan tour. So far Japan Air got great business class prices to Europe and best is take a direct to Europe via Haneda and when you are back spend few days/weeks in japan. I got 2 business tickets with JA travelling to Europe in august. Its qantas loss since they are so disorganised.

 

[Mr H]

90mins at DOH, and 2.5hrs at PHL
So i'd just have to call up QF to add in extra side trip, as long as its under the total 35kmiles.
Thank you

You are correct but you may be surprised to discover quite how much heavy lifting the 'just' is doing in your post...

And note that you cannot have a 24+ hour stop in the same city either side of a side trip. You can have up to two stops of less than 24 hours and one of more than 24 hours in any one city.

 

[Muppet501st]

You are correct but you may be surprised to discover quite how much heavy lifting the 'just' is doing in your post...

And note that you cannot have a 24+ hour stop in the same city either side of a side trip. You can have up to two stops of less than 24 hours and one of more than 24 hours in any one city.

I called up QF last week to cancel another booking, and was talking to an agent within 10 mins- QF SG status- was sweating on the expected "normal" wait time.
So could i add a CVG-ANC. ANC-CVG

 

[vetrade]

Total noob at this, but have booked 2 x J 318k - -
BNE-DUB via DOH with QR,
LHR-CVG via PHL with BA and AA,
LAX-BNE with QF.
I have the month of November in the States. Could i add any more segments into this without spending any more points?

I have side trips paid for - DUB-FCO-LHR, and CVG-LAX
Cheers
Ken

On the face of it you could probably extract much more value from your OWA booking than what you have at present. As Mr H said you seem to have unused stopovers and you are well short of the maximum 16 flights permissable.
Suggest you clarify your stopover cities and other itinerary details. Also, can you confirm you are flying to Dublin (DUB) and you are not mistaking the airport code for Dubai which is DXB? Why the cash fares to FCO & LHR and CVG - LAX?

 

[gilldo]

You know the post you replied to is 16 years old?

Yes I do now - it doesn't help when they publish (republish/update) an article today and then list the first responses with the date very faintly listed.

Apologies to all

 

[gilldo]

Please note that a stopover is 24 hours or more on the ground. You can land in a city one day, stay overnight, as long as you're gone within 24 hours for it to count as a transit.

Also, S7 Airlines (based in Moscow) have just been suspended from Oneworld for reasons that are now fairly obvious. I hope noone is booked with them for the next year or so.

 

[Muppet501st]

On the face of it you could probably extract much more value from your OWA booking than what you have at present. As Mr H said you seem to have unused stopovers and you are well short of the maximum 16 flights permissable.
Suggest you clarify your stopover cities and other itinerary details. Also, can you confirm you are flying to Dublin (DUB) and you are not mistaking the airport code for Dubai which is DXB? Why the cash fares to FCO & LHR and CVG - LAX?

Originally had 2x J rewards just from BNE- LAX return, and had paid for some internal flights, ( CVG-PHL-BDL, BOS-CVG, CVG-LAX ) All this in November returning to BNE on Thanksgiving, So we wanted to change flight to stay there for the day with friends. Couldnt find any dates suitable for the return, so cancelled this and booked the following- with the only dates i could find.
Kept the CVG-BDL , BOS- CVG flights, but cancelled and used this for the new dates as below.


BNE-DUB via DOH 90 min connection with QR - Oct 23
LHR-CVG via PHL 2.5hr connection, BA and AA - Nov 3rd
LAX-BNE , QF Dec 6th

I then went and booked reward flights DUB-LHR-FCO. Oct 28th, FCO-LHR 1st Nov , all on BA with QF points.

Am new to Oneworld and these rewards flights- If
Cheers
Ken

 

[gilldo]

Can someone please provide me with some clarity of what happens when you can't make a sector within a specific RTW ticket.

In my case we're booked in J as follows later this year:

1. ADL-MEL-LAX-SFO-ANC (stop 1 - QF/AS)
2. ANC-SEA-YYC (stop 2 - AS)
3. YYC-ORD-BOS (stop 3 - AA)
4. BOS-CLT-SEA (stop 4 - AA)
5. SEA-PHX (stop 5 - AA)
6. LAX-HND-SYD-ADL (end - JL/QF)

5 stops, 15 sectors (9 J class, 5 Y class (mainly Alaska), 1 surface)

If we were to miss any of the above sectors (particularly due to illness), what happens to the rest of our trip?

My understanding is all subsequent bookings are canned - is this true? Has anyone had to deal with this before overseas?

 

[Mr H]

If we were to miss any of the above sectors (particularly due to illness), what happens to the rest of our trip?

My understanding is all subsequent bookings are canned - is this true? Has anyone had to deal with this before overseas?

The rules are that changes are no permissible once the first sector is flown, and a missed sector causes the rest of the itinerary to be cancelled. Travel in a Covid-normal world is a big unknown and you might get lucky if an agent could cancel a sector if you call up before the flight leaves. I am guessing this would be pot luck, and you might have more luck just cancelling a sector and catching up with the itinerary later rather then trying to get anything rescheduled. But we need data points and I hope you are not going to become one.