Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

[kpc]

Tik tok: 105 cases tomorrow

Really surprised NSW MoH haven't shut down the leak yet OR they are deliberately leaking the number of cases for some reason...

 

[Saab34]

Really surprised NSW MoH haven't shut down the leak yet OR they are deliberately leaking the number of cases for some reason...

They have had a few days to investigate the source and still no dice. Either they are making the info too publicly available on internal platforms or too many staff have access to such information.

I’d say if found they will get the sack.

Plenty of leaks have gone on down here at Spring St over the pandemic also. We generally have lockdown details before Dan speaks. 3AW picks up many of the leaks.

 

[trevella]

Quite seriously, why on earth do people care, as long as exposure sites are updated in a timely fashion (which they are)?

Are you betting on it or something?

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Quite seriously, why on earth do people care, as long as exposure sites are updated in a timely fashion (which they are)?

Are you betting on it or something?

Agree! If there is an unauthorised leak, it's unprofessional. But I wouldn't say it goes any further than that. There's no commercial sensitivity, no political sensitivity, no privacy issues, and the number will be public anyway. What's the big deal?

 

[Lynda2475]

See your last point on HQ (Remember that in HQ people have been catching the virus off people who flew in on different days)

Not everyone who develops covid in HQ has caught it off someone else in HQ as you are implying. HQ aqusition is quite rare. Most people who go on to test positive in HQ actaully acquired covid before they arrived or en route, it can take a few days after exposure for the viral load to get high enough to show up on a test.

Err.....why is it then safe to have someone in apartment building with a known positive case be released after 1 negative test?

Simply being in the same building as someone else who has had covid doesnt mean you have been exposed, especially if you live on a different floor and have never being in proximity of that person. Most people living in inner city apartments dont know all their neigbours and dont spend any time interacting with them.

Its a weird double standard, given when people on one floor of an office tower have tested positive they havent put all floors into ISO. Or when one person in a shop in a mall tests positive, they dont put everyone esle in the shopping centre into iso. Risk is the same.

Talking to a friend this evening that pointed out she was cancelling a trip she has planned to Melbourne later in the year because she worries given this approach to apartments, that if you are staying in a hotel and a covid positive person also stays (maybe 10 floors apart) you'll end up held prisoner for 14 days.

Delta has proven to be highly tranmisssable within households and workplaces, but "Fleeting transmission" is still largely a misnomer. In NSW there has only been the one case in Westfield Bondi (and they did find the crossover on cctv). Other cases that were initially claimed to be fleeting, later turned out that the people were around each for 15 mins and usually much much longer.

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If I saw correctly, both apartment blocks in lockdown have balconies.

Thats doesnt mean every apartment does though.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Delta has proven to be highly tranmisssable within households and workplaces, but "Fleeting transmission" is still largely a misnomer.

So lets us just ignore all the cases like at the MCG shall we.....

And what was the total of the cases in NSW where they have no idea how they caught it? I think I read earlier in this thread that it was about 170 odd?

 

[Lynda2475]

So lets us just ignore all the cases like at the MCG shall we.

Non socially distanced crowds of strangers (many inhibited by alcohol) in close proximty for a couple of hours. Shouting, yelling and cheering so spreading droplets (as many remove masks once seated). People brush past other to get to their seats, queue for drinks and share public bathrooms.

Hardly fleeting, more like prolonged exposure.

Not to mention the squeezing into trams or pubs before and after.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Non socially distanced crowds of strangers (many inhibited by alcohol) in close proximty for a couple of hours. Shouting, yelling and cheering so spreading droplets. People brush past other to get to their seats, queu for drinks and share public bathrooms.

Hardly fleeting, more like prolonged exposure.

Not to mention the squeezing into trams or pubs before and after.

Yes don't let the actual facts get in the way.

"The four individuals identified today who were at the MCG again, they did not know each other, did not sit directly with each other, did not know the index case or his friend," Mr Weimar said.​

You could just admit that you were wrong.

So yes 60's guy and his mate were together, but the others were not.

 

[Lynda2475]

You could just admit that you were wrong.

Nope. Thats doesnt disprove anything I said.

They were seated in the same section for a prolonged period (not familair with AFL but assume a game goes longer than an hour).

Someone shouting and cheering loudly can project droplets and aersols several metres away (if windy can travel even further). Over an entire match that is a lot of virus being spread around.

They dont have cameras in the toilets, so they dont know they didnt use the bathroom a same time (bathrooms are high risk for aersols).

Relying on memory of posibly drunk people, no way they can remember every person they queued behind, walked past etc.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Ten days infectious at the Raw Coffee Bar. I think that this may be a new record for a venue in Sydney in this outbreak. I wonder of it was the one infected person, or a combination?

So if anyone went there for their essential coffee fix they will now need to quarantine for 14 days regardless of their test result.


(And looks like NSW Health must like using bolding to emphasise things)

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Nope. Thats doesnt disprove anything I said.

They were seated in the same section for a prolonged period (not familair with AFL but assume a game goes longer than an hour).

Someone shouting and cheering loudly can project droplets and aersols several metres away (if windy can travel even further). Over an entire match that is a lot of virus being spread around.

They dont have cameras in the toilets, so they dont know they didnt use the bathroom a same time (bathrooms are high risk for aersols).

Relying on memory of posibly drunk people, no way they can remember every person they queued behind, walked past etc.

All that you just wrote just goes to show how ill-informed you are on the MCG Cases, including where the cases were and this little thing called CCTV of which the MCG has a state of the art version of for crowd control and other reasons and which was used to verify where people were sitting and their movements.


And I doubt the child and their parent/s were rolling around drunk.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Way too much pessimism with some of the experts.It seems if you are just a little optimistic the MSM doesn't want to hear you.
Over on Twitter 2 fellows whose day time job is looking after viral infections, Peter Collignon and Greg Dore, are cautiously optimistic as it is the 6th day that Sydney has not kept up exponential growth but appears it might be plateauing.

Yes now that some more measures are in place it should assist in slowing the new cases, and also assist the contract tracers.

 

[Lynda2475]

So the seed case had a mask on the whole time and didnt shout/cheer/yell even once? Yeah right!

It appears they were eating and drinking and moved through many parts of the venue including the bathrooms given the exposure lists. Oh and all the assosicated public transport routes (again nothing I made up).

Media Statement – Exposure sites at MCG for Saturday July 10 Carlton v Geelong Cats match

Media Statement Tier 2 and Tier 3 exposure sites at MCG for Saturday July 10

www.mcg.org.au

 

[lovetravellingoz]

So the seed case had a mask on the whole time and didnt shout/cheer/yell even once? Yeah right!

didnt shout/cheer/yell even once? And no one would make such a ridiculous claim, but Weimar's team examined that as part of their analysis.

Whereas your analysis is based on from what you have written in your posts knowing virtually nothing about any of the cases and on wrong assumptions.

"The four individuals identified today who were at the MCG again, they did not know each other, did not sit directly with each other, did not know the index case or his friend," Mr Weimar said.​

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So seed case is the 60's man. His friends was with him at Y&J and at the game and sat next to his friend the 60's man. Clearly they are not fleeting transmission cases at the MCG. Though 60's man may have been a fleeting case from the Removalists.

The four individuals identified today who were at the MCG again, they did not know each other, did not sit directly with each other, did not know the index case or his friend,"​

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So the four were not seated near the 60's man, or each other. None were in droplet range

Nor was the child.

So all are suspected of catching it while not at their seats. Two may have had overlap in bar area within the MCG. But the others have had no known overlap. And yes they would have been asked about public transport as all public transport gets listed as an exposure site. Mykis are also commonly linked which would give exact data. So contact was fleeting whether that was on a ramp, corridor or toilets. Note that while masks are not required when seated they are required when moving around at Victorian AFL Venues.

 

[ethernet]

Testing bias is strong in non English speaking communities. But what if testing here is low in the people who should be getting tested. Positive means no work, no income for many. What if compliance for testing is low. True new rules and not seeing exponential growth is pleasing.. but delta is a sabot in the mill. Or we could use mobile phone tower dumps to catch people who move, but are not tested. The Cwth already has the powers to mine this metadata, as can the police. In the ACT, the Health minister was evasive is clarifying who else, besides contract tracers, had access to mobile app checkin data.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

So the seed case had a mask on the whole time and didnt shout/cheer/yell even once? Yeah right!

It appears they were eating and drinking and moved through many parts of the venue including the bathrooms given the exposure lists. Oh and all the assosicated public transport routes (again nothing I made up).

Media Statement – Exposure sites at MCG for Saturday July 10 Carlton v Geelong Cats match

Media Statement Tier 2 and Tier 3 exposure sites at MCG for Saturday July 10

www.mcg.org.au

Perhaps consider how big an area Level 2 Members Reserve is. That plus that they did not sit near each other. All 5 cases infected at the MCG were seated in different areas. Plus all seats used were outside.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Delta has proven to be highly tranmisssable within households and workplaces, but "Fleeting transmission" is still largely a misnomer. In NSW there has only been the one case in Westfield Bondi (and they did find the crossover on cctv). Other cases that were initially claimed to be fleeting, later turned out that the people were around each for 15 mins and usually much much longer.

Fleeting transmissions by their nature will be normally be difficult to prove. But are acknowledged when an infected person is known to have been in the same close, but brief, proximity of a known case where and there has been no known interchange of the two including having a conversation or say sat at adjacent tables.

Now in NSW given the number of cases that are still under investigation, how these people became infected could easily have been by fleeting transmission in many cases. And indeed as fleeting transmission would make such cases difficult to match and moreso in Sydney at present where there probably are many unknown infected people with no symptoms mixing about.

 

[OATEK]

Yes now that some more measures are in place it should assist in slowing the new cases, and also assist the contract tracers.

It seems to me, as Drron reported above, that new cases have slowed to the point where they have plateaued. The new measures are meant to slow it further so that they trend down.

 

[jakeseven7]

Looks like another +100 day if the leaky bucket NSW Health department is still leaking the same guy… not good.

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[jakeseven7]

Looks like the new rules are still confusing in NSW

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Retailers call for clarity on Sydney's COVID lockdown


Retailers say more clarity is needed about Greater Sydney's COVID lockdown for workers who live in the Fairfield, Liverpool and Canterbury-Bankstown local government areas.

Residents of those areas are not allowed to leave them unless they are an emergency service or healthcare worker.

Fleur Brown from the Australian Retailers Association says the exemption could also apply for workers in essential retail or online trading.

"Some confusion is still in play for LGA for retail workers travelling in or working within those jurisdictions," she said.

"We are seeking clarity from the NSW Government on that point."

Berejiklian laments her 'most difficult day' as NSW seeks to ease burden on community

The New South Wales Premier attempts to clarify who can and can't travel through local government areas as the state records another 105 coronavirus cases overnight. As it happened.

www.abc.net.au