Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

[kyle]

But you do like to have the last word

Pretty much an observer in this thread, I thought I was the only person with this sentiment.

 

[Lynda2475]

Nothing to do with having last word, trying to understand what you are saying.

Im not saying death certificate should be different just observing the reporting method for fatality case rate is likely overstating real number and trying to clarify what the article says is true?. The way it reads is that a gun shot victim with covid would be recorded in covid death count by the states, but not as the primary cause of death on certificate and perhaps differently by ABS.

As we try to move to next stage of opening up, if death rates as reported by states are inflated and then used as part of threshold to determine lockdowns etc we may find ourselves unfairly restricted.

All deaths are sad but in asessing severity of the pandemic is there not more to worry about if otherwise healthy 25 year olds are dying from covid vs a 90yo with multiple serious chronic conditions dying with covid (especially if they were likely to have same outcome without Covid)?

This other article indicates only 18 deaths with covid were excluded from ABS covid mortality figures, unfortunately does tell us which state totals these shoukd be deducted from

newsGP - More than 70% of COVID-19 deaths had pre-existing conditions

New data released by the ABS provides insight into COVID-19 deaths throughout the country.

www1.racgp.org.au

 

[Pushka]

Well someone who has lung cancer and has a large heart attack and dies is officially recorded as dying from the heart attack with lung cancer a contributing cause.So why should it be different for covid.

I can understand why. It may seem to validate an agenda. Wasn't there pressure last year where a relative wanted Covid as cause of death when it was a case of death with Covid? Not sure what happened as a result.

 

[drron]

I can understand why. It may seem to validate an agenda. Wasn't there pressure last year where a relative wanted Covid as cause of death when it was a case of death with Covid? Not sure what happened as a result.

I think it extremely unlikely that such a request is actioned in Australia.

 

[jakeseven7]

ABC also reporting.

Citing the fact people are still moving through the community infectious despite the lockdown, which has been an issue.

I was a little surprised I thought they’d be able to handle this without extending the lockdown. Oh well

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NSW COVID-19 lockdown set to be extended by a week

The lockdown in NSW was scheduled to finish this Friday, but the ABC understands that with the state still in a perilous position due to the highly infectious Delta strain, this is no longer set to be the case.

www.abc.net.au

 

[kamchatsky]

That's because everybody is either "exercising" or "shopping for critical food supplies". So everyone is getting out anyway. In fact, those exercising areas are more crowded than before.

I think people are sick of lockdowns, especially people who are fully vaccinated. There is virtually no incentive on freedom of movement for vaccinated.

Now that online school is coming to my household, I can see more headaches for me next week or even longer.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

ABC also reporting.

Citing the fact people are still moving through the community infectious despite the lockdown, which has been an issue.

I was a little surprised I thought they’d be able to handle this without extending the lockdown. Oh well

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NSW COVID-19 lockdown set to be extended by a week

The lockdown in NSW was scheduled to finish this Friday, but the ABC understands that with the state still in a perilous position due to the highly infectious Delta strain, this is no longer set to be the case.

www.abc.net.au

If you look at the flow of numbers, it seemed the obvious move.

The outbreak started as a bunch of 2s, then went 5 and settled in 10s. The the day it went over 25, lockdown was announced that evening. Since then every day has been between 15 and 40 but NSW only had one great low numbered day of fully/partially infectious in the community.

Something like:
27/6 - 19 (63%)
28/6 - 12 (67%)
29/6 - 12 (63%)
30/6 - 11 (50%)
1/7 - 15 (62%)
2/7 - 20 (65%)
3/7 - 12 (34%)
4/7 - 3 (19%)
5/7 - 11 (31%)
6/7 - 7 (39%)

On the good news side, it seems like all have been linked so far (not 100% sure on this). My guess is they are hoping for more numbers 5 and below in the community.

 

[33kft]

Citing the fact people are still moving through the community infectious despite the lockdown, which has been an issue

Seems like the sort of issue another week of lockdown is unlikely to resolve

 

[Lynda2475]

seems like the sort of issue another week of lockdown is unlikely to resolve

It wont. People need to shop for food (get a real coffee) and exercise. Mask usage and social distancing been pretty good in my local area when Ive been out (and there are zero cases in my LGA) so people will continue to go out within the allowed reasons. Because its happened during school holidays, most of the rule breaking I've witnessed has been from kids having illegal play dates.

3 parties have caused the most damage to confidence that they have found all cases - the super spreader birthday party (and delays caused by lying about how many were there), the newly revealed party on night one of lockdown at the Meriton (which has caused 12 new cases and weren't isolating) and the entitled footy players having a party and lying about who was there.

There will always be some numpties who disregard all health directives, because they feel rules don't apply to them and to date there has been no material consequences for doing so, they just ignore fines.

 

[justinbrett]

I was a little surprised I thought they’d be able to handle this without extending the lockdown. Oh well

I think it's a case of covid fatigue. The measures that worked 12 months ago don't work now. People don't socially distance, people don't wash their hands, people shake hands....

Especially for a city that hasn't had a lockdown so far (excluding the northern beaches), it's a rude shock to start a lockdown especially when the daily cases are not that much higher than the crossroads cluster.

People are just over Covid.

 

[jakeseven7]

Seems like the sort of issue another week of lockdown is unlikely to resolve

I think it's a case of covid fatigue. The measures that worked 12 months ago don't work now. People don't socially distance, people don't wash their hands, people shake hands....

People are just over Covid.

I tend to agree, I think (all) the Premiers have started to lose control.

I saw it a lot in Brisbane too with a fairly ‘relaxed’ interpretation of the lockdown rules, people on our street were having parties etc. And even more, people weren’t reporting them anymore because they weren’t stopped….

I actually think the State premiers know this as well…. It’s reaching a breaking point now. Especially when people switch on the news and see the freedoms people living overseas now have with higher vaccination rates.

I think the Sydney situation is just emblematic of the community across Australia.

 

[MooTime]

That's because everybody is either "exercising" or "shopping for critical food supplies". So everyone is getting out anyway. In fact, those exercising areas are more crowded than before.

I think people are sick of lockdowns, especially people who are fully vaccinated. There is virtually no incentive on freedom of movement for vaccinated.

Now that online school is coming to my household, I can see more headaches for me next week or even longer.

people are sick of lockdows?? but Sydney haven't had a lockdown for quite some time.

People exercising is great for everybody as individuals (or small groups), but certainly seems some exercise more than ever during a lockdown. Also seems ppl prefer to exercise on popular pathways rather than streets in the burbs.

The whole I'm vaccinated I shouldn't have to isolate or lockdown is just a furphy some like to throw about. We know the situation will never be, oh your vaxd you can hit the clubs, but your not so you stay home, that's just silliness.
We are vaccinating so we don't bloody die essentially (or pass covid onto others who can die) IMO.

know of many who undertook home schooling & it was tough here in vic, I wasn't in that situation myself, but understand the logistics of it talking to so many friends.

We just have to all stick this out, hopefully more together than not, pity our country has crumbled to 7 different countries, that's a real shame & hasn't helped things at all.

C'mon sydneysiders, do another week or 2, stay home, stop the Virus Spread as much as possible & let's get thru this.

 

[Lynda2475]

We know the situation will never be, oh your vaxd you can hit the clubs, but your not so you stay home, that's just silliness.

We don't know that at all, and it is certainly is the case in the USA - attendance at concerts, inside dining etc reserved for the vaccinated. It may well (should) be introduced here.

 

[MooTime]

We don't know that at all, and it is certainly is the case in the USA - attendance at concerts, inside dining etc reserved for the vaccinated. It may well (should) be introduced here.

Well there's a heap more examples of countries that won't differenciate if your vac'd or not.

Who cares what USA does, last country I'd like to follow anything covid related.

Vac'd or not, we'll all be in the same basket, hence the herd immunity theory, if we ever get that far vac'd.

 

[Lynda2475]

Well there's a heap more examples of countries that won't differenciate if your vac'd or not.

But that doesn't mean we wont have vaccine privilege's here. In fact the Australian Government's 4 stage plan (as weak as it is) specifically mentions them in Phase 3:

"Under phase three, there would be no lockdowns, no cap on returning vaccinated travellers, and no domestic restrictions for vaccinated residents. There could also be a travel bubble with countries like Singapore."

 

[ellen10]

I work in a school. So much to do now to get online learning in place. Especially for the youngest students

 

[dajop]

Especially for a city that hasn't had a lockdown so far (excluding the northern beaches), it's a rude shock to start a lockdown especially when the daily cases are not that much higher than the crossroads cluster.

This.

It’s not so much that most of Australia is “over lockdowns” it is that most have never had to experience a real lockdown of any significant duration. Victorians on the other hand are most certainly “over lockdowns” But seem to just get on with it and do what’s needed. Although may not if there’s a next time.

 

[RooFlyer]

I think people are sick of lockdowns, especially people who are fully vaccinated. There is virtually no incentive on freedom of movement for vaccinated.

Surely people in Sydney can't be sick of 'lockdowns' (as in multiple events)?

People need to shop for food (get a real coffee)

No, they really don't need to get a 'real' coffee'. At least no more than a bunch of NRL players need to have a bit of a party and BBQ . My goodness, that would have to be THE most stupid and selfish thing to have happened in this country so far, amongst a long list (mainly in respect of its being stupid).

In addition, as @MooTime said, taking a cue from places such as the USA (and I would add the UK to that) is the last thing I'd want us to do.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1412577131339468806

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1412577157147095041

 

[Denali]

Watching Gladys' on live stream and loving the facial expressions on the sign language person, especially when Gladys spoke about Sydney people travelling to regional areas when they were not allowed to. She was not impressed