Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

[drron]

Well under the Constitution, quarantine is Commonwealth/Federal responsibility as has been stated on the other relevant thread - ducks for cover

Who else is asking? Haven’t heard 1 media report on it so not sure how much traction there is on the idea

I have previously given a link to the National Inquiry into Hotel Quarantine which was done in August last year.One of the reccomendations was boosting the capacity of Howard Springs plus investigating the suitability of the Learmonth AFB as a quarantine facility.The feds have failed on this issue.

 

[Must...Fly!]

I am not a Tennis fan at all, but I just had a quick look to check the veracity of your claim.

From a quick look at their last annual report:

So with Tennis Australia.

Total income $463 million.
$16 million in in grants, the rest they earn.

However Tennis Australia spends about $40 million on junior tennis. So $14 million helps generate $40 million for community benefit at the grassroots level. That would seem to be a good deal.

Now on the other hand if the AO did not happen presumably revenues would plummet causing all sorts of job losses, including from suppliers etc, and reduction in community programs. Federal tax income would also probably drop.

Some only see the international players, others all see the employment it creates and the community tennis that it helps to support.

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Fair enough however this fails to take in to account the venues where the tournaments are held at cost to the government, and lots of which are not useful outside of the AO times.

In any case similar confusion surrounds other sports. IIRC the Grand Prix is often touted to cost $50-60m per year. In reality it's more, the "cost" is actually the financial shortfall faced by AGPC

 

[Flying mermaid]

I may be mistaken but I thought I heard a Vic government official state that the 1200 for the AO would be in addition to the regular Victorian cap

Well I hope so as Dr FM is booked to fly back on the 1st February and no one can tell her whether she will actually fly or not.... the high commission in London have said they are currently working on January and will get to February later. She was supposed to be flying into Brisbane to take up a position but she is now happy to fly into anywhere in Australia just to get home. Currently the hospital has removed her from all rosters until March. The hospital in London has said they are quite happy to keep her if Australia doesn’t want her. I understand some rural hospitals are going to be left quite short staffed if doctors can’t get back.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

I have previously given a link to the National Inquiry into Hotel Quarantine which was done in August last year.One of the reccomendations was boosting the capacity of Howard Springs plus investigating the suitability of the Learmonth AFB as a quarantine facility.The feds have failed on this issue.

The report only refers to it as reserve. So the primary option seems to be city hotel quarantine.

There doesn’t seem to be any reference to the reserve being a better option because of its remoteness characteristics which could lead to less seepage of cases into the general local community.

Being the last recommendation (and rather brief) it’s not got a lot of airtime.

 

[zenyattamondatta]

Collignon seems to have an agenda, which is to get borders open.

Prof Collignon's 'predictions' haven't been so accurate so far.

In August 2020 Prof Collignon said there would be no vaccine until the end of 2021. So I wouldn't give too much attention to his 'predictions'.

We are talking about reduction in severity. That's the key, which Prof Collignon seems to be ignoring

Heard you the first several times. A prominent expert being "wrong" doesn't make a very much non-expert layman "right".

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

Heard you the first several times. A prominent expert being "wrong" doesn't make a very much non-expert layman "right".

Can you please do one for me and disliking the expert opinion of Professor McLaws?

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Heard you the first several times. A prominent expert being "wrong" doesn't make a very much non-expert layman "right".

It keeps coming up in threads because Prof Collignon has done a couple of interviews over the past few days, mostly with 'predictions' that don't match anything official.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

To 8pm 9/1 - 146,605 (536/1000 rate)
To 8pm 10/1 - 148,815 (544/1000 test rate)
To 8pm 11/1 - 149,301 (546/1000 test rate)

PS 97 cases (down from 101 yesterday - I think - so perhaps 6 case rolled off and 2 new cases) and 3 mystery cases

Total mystery cases in last 4 weeks (rolling) is 12.

Northern Beaches LGA

To 8pm 9/1 - 146,605 (536/1000 rate)
To 8pm 10/1 - 148,815 (544/1000 test rate)
To 8pm 11/1 - 149,301 (546/1000 test rate)
To 8pm 12/1 - 150,091 (549/1000 test rate)

PS 87 cases (down from 97 yesterday) and 3 mystery cases

Total NSW mystery cases in the last 4 weeks is 12.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Fair enough however this fails to take in to account the venues where the tournaments are held at cost to the government, and lots of which are not useful outside of the AO times.

Lots not useful outside of AO?

As in?

Virtually all buildings there are multiple purpose and are used throughout the year for other sporting events, concerts, musicals, shows, events, conferences, exhibitions etc

The car parks are also used for other events at the nearby MCG and main soccer/ rugby stadium.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

It keeps coming up in threads because Prof Collignon has done a couple of interviews over the past few days, mostly with 'predictions' that don't match anything official.

Well suffice for me to say, you seem to have a ‘thing’ if you are tracking down each thread finding each post.

 

[jakeseven7]

Fair enough however this fails to take in to account the venues where the tournaments are held at cost to the government, and lots of which are not useful outside of the AO times.

Sorry but that is simply not correct....

I do though understand you are very upset about the whole arrangement proceeding and personally I'm not sure that it should be going ahead either. I think its high risk for a state that has had a pretty nasty experience with the virus already....

 

[SydneySwan]

The other possibility is that the largesse by Tennis Australia in paying for everything may well allow for an increase in international arrivals post the AO as an additional workforce will have been skilled up and 3 hotels have been refitted for HQ use. They may well be taken over by the Vic Gov after the AO.


About 1500 more staff have been brought in to manage infection control of the players and officials in Melbourne.

They include more than 600 resident support officers, who will be positioned on every floor of each hotels, 210 event support officers, and almost 300 COVID marshals, who will monitor players and staff as they travel to and from quarantine.

I like your optimism here but it seems more like wishful thinking to me.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Well suffice for me to say, you seem to have a ‘thing’ if you are tracking down each thread finding each post.

I read most of the threads to do with covid, and various opinion pieces are quoted in all those threads!

Reflecting on zenyattamondatta's post, experts are offering options for public consumption, for the 'lay' person. I don't think there's anything wrong with researching those opinions and putting them into context. No different to commenting on the views or directions of state health officers for example.

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[SydneySwan]

How far back is Queensland going on level 7 of the Hotel Grand Chancellor? Mrs SS and I stayed there on level 7 on July 26, 2020. Do we need to self-isolate?

Smiley added for clarity!

 

[Lynda2475]

How far back is Queensland going on level 7 of the Hotel Grand Chancellor? Mrs SS and I stayed there on level 7 on July 26, 2020. Do we need to self-isolate?

ABC stated 30th Dec as that is when the UK traveller who infected the cleaner arrived.

"The remaining 129 guests at the Hotel Grand Chancellor will be moved to other hotels, and anyone who has been in the hotel since December 30 has also been asked to get tested and go into quarantine for 14 days."

 

[OATEK]

The employees and other businesses all pay tax.

No AO would mean a drop in tax renvenue.

I take it you don't yet feel that you are defending the indefensible?

Lots of people piled on NSWG over having spectators at the Sydney Test, but not so much about having India (ie a team from one of the major hotspots) in Melbourne, Sydney and Brisbane where there has been community transmisson of late.

Personally I don't support the AO going ahead, nor the cricket tests. Not sure how big the cricket entourage is, and probably not the size of the AO's, but given all the limits to so many other businesses trying to make a quid I don't see why the AO or the cricket gets special treatment.

 

[Princess Fiona]

Heard you the first several times. A prominent expert being "wrong" doesn't make a very much non-expert layman "right".

He’s being called out on Twitter by several prominent Drs. Nothing lay about them.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

How far back is Queensland going on level 7 of the Hotel Grand Chancellor? Mrs SS and I stayed there on level 7 on July 26, 2020. Do we need to self-isolate?

Smiley added for clarity!

Did Qld close their border to NSW before 26/7/20??? Or do I have my sense of time screwed up?

 

[SydneySwan]

Did Qld close their border to NSW before 26/7/20??? Or do I have my sense of time screwed up?

We crossed the border on July 23 and it was open then. I think it closed around Aug 4/5/6. We were safely back in NSW by then.

 

[dajop]

Some discussion here on the AO from The Age. I wouldn't expect any significant criticism from The Age thought, given that they hold the TV rights to the AO.

Tennis hotels unveiled as state boasts of strictest rules

The Emergency Services Minister says the CHO has signed off on the Australian Open quarantine arrangements.

www.theage.com.au

What players and spectators can expect at an Australian Open like no other

Preparing for this year's Australian Open has been a case of divide and conquer in some ways. Here's what players and spectators can expect.

www.theage.com.au

The one thing that concerns the most, and TBH in my experience in entering Australia via quarantine is the number of people involved in staffing the whole quarantine program. These are all weak points and provide potential for transmission into the community.

About 1500 more staff have been brought in to manage infection control of the players and officials in Melbourne.

As an aside, I was walking past some quarantine hotels in Melbourne CBD whilst unloading, I counted no less than 8 police whilst the bus was unloading (two at the front, two in the middle, and two at the rear of the Skybuses, and another 2 in a vehicle, plus another 5-6 gowned health department staff. In Singapore there was 1 staff member who escorted us off the bus - perhaps reflective of the fact that a) someone was probably watching via CCTV and b) if someone did something wrong, they would be caught and there would be no chance for a so called "human rights" lawyer to try and get them off.