Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

[Seat0B]

@Seat0B, It seems that it is BNE city that is the hotspot that the NT is shutting against. If you sister stays at the airport area she may be safe to get through.

Again, thanks @get me outta here, I just don’t know. The point really is, is this really what we have descended to? When carefully made and expensive and inconvenient travel plans, not for frivolous or criminal reasons, can be disrupted almost literally mid flight. It’s just so frustrating and depressing.

 

[drron]

And we really don't know how many have successfully crossed borders by lying etc.
Last night Channel 7 Brisbane interviewed a man from ipswich who lied on the border pass application that he and his daughter hadn't been in a Sydney hotspot.He had been to Canberra for his son's Military graduation It occurred the day before the QLD border closed to the hot spots.He had already arranged for the day of the border closure to pick up his daughter in Sydney to come home as she was now without a job.However they have been self isolating at home and now I think at the end of their 14 days.
Criminal or not?
The reason given for doing it was that they could not afford the hotel quarantine bill.

 

[SydneySwan]

The reason given for doing it was that they could not afford the hotel quarantine bill.

Doesn't QLD have hardship provisions for those who can't afford it? I know NSW does.

 

[get me outta here]

Yes, it is terrible, I do hope she gets through unscathed.

The police border control found a man hiding in a car boot. It is all almost out of control. It seems that never could so many people be dangerously affected by the behaviour of just one person. Now that they have to pay for quarantine, even more will try to go through unnoticed.

Again, thanks @get me outta here, I just don’t know. The point really is, is this really what we have descended to? When carefully made and expensive and inconvenient travel plans, not for frivolous or criminal reasons, can be disrupted almost literally mid flight. It’s just so frustrating and depressing.

 

[get me outta here]

I think once govts made the big announcement that travellers had to pay, those people who tend to go through life being somewhat oblivious to their responsibilities have already have decided to try to take their evasion action. ‘We’ll cover your costs’ was understandably not broadcast very widely.

We are certainly finding out more about those people covered in the old saying , there are those that make things happen, those that watch things happen, and those that say “what happened”?

Doesn't QLD have hardship provisions for those who can't afford it? I know NSW does.

 

[PineappleSkip]

Again, thanks @get me outta here, I just don’t know. The point really is, is this really what we have descended to? When carefully made and expensive and inconvenient travel plans, not for frivolous or criminal reasons, can be disrupted almost literally mid flight. It’s just so frustrating and depressing.

Here’s the current NT direction. It seems that there is a transit exemption for people who flew in, stayed at a hotel less than 5k from the airport, and went nowhere else. See drection 4(d).

Unfortunately NT’s instant hotspot declarations have these sorts of outcomes. Really sorry your fam member got stung.

cheers skip

 

[serfty]

...
These young ladies have probably ruined any future prospects they had career wise and are going to have to carry around that stigma for a long time. ...

I'm not sure about their prospects or whether they care in any case.

Reports today are the airline tickets they travelled on were purchased via Flight Centre using stolen credit cards.

It would seem, to use the proverbial, that they had "fallen in with the 'wrong' crowd".

 

[drron]

Doesn't QLD have hardship provisions for those who can't afford it? I know NSW does.

Here is the relevant part re QLD Quarantine fees.

The quarantine fee includes your accommodation and daily meals. It costs $2,800 for 1 adult, $3,710 for 2 adults, and $4,620 for 2 adults and 2 children.

At the end of your quarantine, you will get an invoice to pay within 30 days.

Payment plans are available if you cannot pay by the due date. Details will be on the invoice.

You may also apply to have the fee waived after you get the invoice.

See below for full details on quarantine fees and waivers.

Isolation and quarantine — coronavirus (COVID-19)

Current self-quarantine requirements and information about how to self-quarantine.

www.qld.gov.au

The sticking point was you can only apply to have the fee waived after you get the invoice.Obviously no quarantee it will be granted.
As well I doubt most folk don't know to look up the QLD Health website for the information.

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

Here’s the current NT direction. It seems that there is a transit exemption for people who flew in, stayed at a hotel less than 5k from the airport, and went nowhere else. See drection 4(d).

Unfortunately NT’s instant hotspot declarations have these sorts of outcomes. Really sorry your fam member got stung.

cheers skip

@Seat0B

good find. It’s possible since the sister’s flight was last night and 9.40 this morning

But if I was in that situation I would have probably left the hotel to eat Or stayed at my preferred hotel (Which would be further away).

to the extent it’s relevant To an exemption application, I would disclose to What extent I did not meet this clause.

@Seat0B, if your sister is already on the plane (with Internet) or at the airport waiting (ie delayed flight), it’s probably worth it to give her a call And send her skip’s info.

 

[JessicaTam]

Bailed to appear in a few weeks by a JP …

It seems they are now in protective custody in hospital , likely at our expense , folks of this iteration are masters at managing the system

OT.. but one way to avoid capital expenditure in the prison system is to recruit soft judges.
Idealistic socialists are a fertile source of these folks , why is the left so soft on crime ?

Perhaps keep your conservative rhetoric to your self.

 

[Lynda2475]

@Lynda2475, it’s just not as simple as saying take travel insurance and factor in cost of quarantine.

I feel for your sisters situation but you have unfairly taken my comments out of context.

Firstly insurance comment was wrt overseas travel period, not remotely relevant in your sisters plight. I stand by my assertion that overseas medical insurance cover is essential for any overseas travel - tax payers should not have to pay for your treatment or repatriation costs.

Secondly my comments about factoring cost of quarantine for leisure travel, was in relation to the BNE 3 who trveled to MEL weeks after Melbourne was declared a hotspot by their premiere (a known event) before their trip commenced. Anyone commencing travel after a known event however unfair they feel the ruling is has to comply.

Once hotspots are declared the domestic airlines have been giving refunds or 2 year flight credits, and yesterday QF put on extra 17 flights to get people home from Syd before the new rules kicked in.

NT have demonstrated poor form giving insufficient notice for your sisters situation (Qld gave 2.5 days). And i hope she can find a resolution, booking routing which required leaving airport en route adds more risk and complexity re applying for entry.

With the volatility of state restrictions right now, personally i would only book direct flights to minimise risk (and yes i know not an option for CBR) or plan for how I would incorporate unexpected 14 day delay. People are free to take on different levels of risk, take out your frustration on the people who caused the situation, not someone who has a different risk appetite to you.

 

[jakeseven7]

And we really don't know how many have successfully crossed borders by lying etc.

Loads.

Just like loads of people haven’t been isolating properly, following the restriction rules and so on.

Brisbane, Sydney, Melbourne, London, wherever - it simply doesn’t matter, there will always be some that intentionally break a rule or non intentionally slip up which is why this virus will continue to spread. It’s just human nature. People who think otherwise are simply deluded.

Zero community transmission in the big three states is simply not going to be achievable now here and I suspect the government really does know this - but public opinion is forcing them to state that it is the goal to keep people on side. After all what else can they say....

The only thing that *may* squash it is a coordinated DEEP shut down in VIC, NSW and SE QLD until zero community transmission is achieved for a period. And it’s not even guaranteed that would work...

And with Anna and Gladys playing games, Gladys resistant to any more shut downs and the Feds seemingly powerless do we really think a coordinated shut down is going to happen?

 

[RAM]

Why would it be 'startling'?
I don't answer my phone, period, if I don't know the number calling. When my phone is in my pocket, I often don't hear it ringing anyway.
A text message is far more likely to get a reply from me then a voice call.

Based on experience of our 3 twenty somethings who instantly react when a noise emenates from their metal prosthesis aka mobile.

 

[jase05]

390 in Victoria today but not sure if that’s from a lower testing base or not

 

[jakeseven7]

And another 17 in NSW

 

[RAM]

It did occur to me that the introduction of charging people for their quarantine could encourage risky behaviour from those prone to being risky and pushing boundaries, so to speak.

I really do not think self-costed enforced quarantine is the differentiating factor - using Melbourne as the study.

The first report on ADF door knocking had around 100 people who had tested +ve - not at home. Some actually at their work places.

The 2nd report of 130+ out of low 500s - demonstrated similar self-possessed deliberate breaking of FREE self-quarantine.

Having Govt (correctly) operated pay-your-way quarantine for border crossers as mandatory would seem a much more preferable outcome - no excuses except for fully vetted (including employer location etc) truly essential personnel.

Anything else will see the more criminally-prone or self-entitled elements continue to do as they please.

A very simple (& easily done) part solution would be for the airlines to provide (JUST LIKE THEY HAVE TO DO FOR the US) a pre-boarding list to the relevant authorities. As in the US case - complete with address to be staying at. Simple matter at destination end to verify that address against their driver's license or other ID address.

Sadly pragmatic solutions don't seem to appear unless after tens of millions gets spent in consultany fees - and often even then fail to appear. The current debacle with a national nursing homes etc strategy/procedures manual is still a pipe dream it seems.

 

[RAM]

Something curious (alarming even).

Received an email from the early am hours from a small chain of Greengrocers saying that one of their stores had been visited by a +ve CV case recently but it was not 'my' store. Did not mention what location it was though.

With all the various announcements about new locations being broadcast (ABC radio) - I have not heard anything mentioned YET about Hariss Farm Markets' Leichardt store.

Has anyone else had a similar experience of company notification long before 'Official' notification? Or did I miss its public announcement?


Coronavirus: NSW records 21 COVID-19 cases, face masks ...
www.smh.com.au › National › NSW › Coronavirus pandemic

12 hours ago - On Friday night, grocery chain Harris Farm Markets said a customer who tested positive for COVID-19 had visited its Leichhardt store between ..

 

[jakeseven7]

Something curious (alarming even).

Received an email from the early am hours from a small chain of Greengrocers saying that one of their stores had been visited by a +ve CV case recently but it was not 'my' store. Did not mention what location it was though.

With all the various announcements about new locations being broadcast (ABC radio) - I have not heard anything mentioned YET about Hariss Farm Markets' Leichardt store.

Has anyone else had a similar experience of company notification long before 'Official' notification? Or did I miss its public announcement?


Coronavirus: NSW records 21 COVID-19 cases, face masks ...
www.smh.com.au › National › NSW › Coronavirus pandemic

12 hours ago - On Friday night, grocery chain Harris Farm Markets said a customer who tested positive for COVID-19 had visited its Leichhardt store between ..

There was another report in Sydney of people finding out about one of the restaurant clusters on Facebook before being contacted by NSW Health.

I guess they are chasing down thousands of people now....

 

[Pushka]

Listening to the update today from Victoria I found the language used for people deliberately flouting the law, especially those working while positive or not iso at home, to be so mealy mouthed that it has no impact. Doesn't on me if I was the kind to not give a squat about others. They talk about fines. As if a fine would stop anyone if they were knowingly going to do the wrong thing. Our weapons in this fight are just not enough.

 

[jakeseven7]

Other news outlets are reporting the new infected case works in aged care...


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Queensland records one new case

Queensland has recorded one new case of COVID-19 on Saturday as a cluster linked to a trio who allegedly lied to avoid mandatory quarantine continues to grow.

Deputy Premier and Health Minister Steven Miles said the new case was the wife of a 27-year-old Bellbird Park man who tested positive on Friday.

Health authorities believe the couple contracted the virus after dining at an adjacent table to one of the women who had travelled to Melbourne.

As it happened: Victoria records 723 new COVID-19 cases and 13 deaths, face masks made mandatory across state; QLD border to close to Greater Sydney

The number of coronavirus cases worldwide has passed 16.8 million, with the death toll surpassing 660,000.

www.smh.com.au