AA expansion in NZ

[HS-TQE]

Codeshares with AA are not a big issue now they’ve re-aligned the SC / points earn post JV. Earn rates are pretty much identical.

Anyway I’m sure they will, they’re code sharing on AKL-LAX.

I wonder if there’s any chance AA could continue on to Australia - perhaps DFW-AKL-BNE and LAX-CHC-MEL. I’m guessing they don’t want to rock the boat after the QF/NZ deal (although that doesn’t include trans Tasman). Also with QF codeshare connections I guess they don’t need to.

AA won't need to, they could alternatively apply for codeshare on Trans-Tasman (not sure about the logistics of that considering the QF/AA JV between AU and USA).

 

[justinbrett]

AA won't need to, they could alternatively apply for codeshare on Trans-Tasman (not sure about the logistics of that considering the QF/AA JV between AU and USA).

They already codeshare trans Tasman. The agreement is between Australia and NZ to US so should have no problems with the JV - but (I assume) you will only be able to book the AA code of connecting to the US (either in Aus or NZ). Ie - they can’t sell trans Tasman tickets.

 

[ozfflyer]

CHC is brave of them...! But I guess opens up the South Island.

Bad luck NZ.

Hopefully QF codeshares.

IIRC .....

All black air flew CHC/LAX nonstop in a 744 few days a week. Must be a decade or so ago ?

The good news is more options to get to USA, which will mean lower fares especially with the recession.

The strange thing to me, is the daily EK A380 SYD/CHC doesn’t connect at CHC with AA CHC/LAX.

But some won’t mind a night or 2 in CHC. Many fly Australia/LAX or SFO on FJ & have a night or more in Fiji.

PLUS just paid some bills in uSA & got 69.22 cents. Not sure what happened today but it seems to have jumped a cent since last night.

 

[justinbrett]

IIRC .....

All black air flew CHC/LAX nonstop in a 744 few days a week. Must be a decade or so ago ?

The good news is more options to get to USA, which will mean lower fares especially with the recession.

The strange thing to me, is the daily EK A380 SYD/CHC doesn’t connect at CHC with AA CHC/LAX.

But some won’t mind a night or 2 in CHC. Many fly Australia/LAX or SFO on FJ & have a night or more in Fiji.

PLUS just paid some bills in uSA & got 69.22 cents. Not sure what happened today but it seems to have jumped a cent since last night.

It looks pretty clear to me that these flights are timed for NZ travellers, not to route Australian passengers via NZ. Also - please correct me if I’m wrong, there’s no AA/EK codeshare deal. AA would rather codeshare with QF.

 

[serfty]

Not sure what happened today but it seems to have jumped a cent since last night.

This week the US Fed cut interest rates +.Oz inflation increased.

 

[ozfflyer]

It looks pretty clear to me that these flights are timed for NZ travellers, not to route Australian passengers via NZ. Also - please correct me if I’m wrong, there’s no AA/EK codeshare deal. AA would rather codeshare with QF.

was thinking you fly on EK metal SYD/CHC (QF ticket) & AA metal CHC/LAX (QF ticket.

Understand EK hardly ever fills the A380 SYD/CHC/SYD except at peak of peak season.

 

[ozflier]

My thoughts exactly - why won't American carriers fly to Brisbane.
It would be nice to have an alternative to QF and Virgin.
I would even be prepared to retry United again if they offered a non stop to the US.

 

[DC3]

My thoughts exactly - why won't American carriers fly to Brisbane ....

May be the numbers don’t add up? If there was money to be made, they would try and do it.

 

[ozfflyer]

My thoughts exactly - why won't American carriers fly to Brisbane.
It would be nice to have an alternative to QF and Virgin.
I would even be prepared to retry United again if they offered a non stop to the US.

for most of year VA seem to offer 6 times a week BNE/LAX direct, but 1 of those days is an evening departure (can't have aircraft in 2 places at same time).

Surely it would be in Deltas interests to fill in VAs shortage of B773s but rearranging flights so that both BNE & MEL have daily nonstops to LAX, whether it be on VA/DL aircraft.

As VA don't have daily out of BNE or MEL, they must lose high paying business flyers who want daily in case they need to change dates.

 

[HS-TQE]

May be the numbers don’t add up? If there was money to be made, they would try and do it.

There is also the added disadvantage for UA having no formal partner on the Brisbane end. They only have a formal 'interline' agreement with QF (but no FF benefits as it's not a codeshare) which can be booked through 3rd party websites (or even on the QF/UA websites).

If UA thought the O&D out of Brisbane was strong enough to support 3 carriers (or if they thought they had the viability to try to force DL/VA out), they would've been on the SFO-BNE route by now. There was very little to no chance of UA entering the LAX-BNE 'bloodbath' between QF/AA and VA/DL.

BNE-LAX-BNE is also being "right-sized" with QF only marginally increasing BNE (through ORD flights and moving x3 LAX flights to SFO.

 

[dajop]

My thoughts exactly - why won't American carriers fly to Brisbane.
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Well, technically not 100% accurate - HA fly 3x weekly to HNL. Also there is another "North American" carrier that fly to BNE and sell connections to a (limited) range of US destinations - AC. Whilst UA don't fly to BNE, like MEL and SYD, you still have a choice of three "alliances" to cross the pacific non-stop and connect to a range of destinations across North America.

 

[ozfflyer]

from around January 9, you can fly HA BNE/HNL & then connect onto HNL/LGB just over 2 hours later. Sure it's an A330 connecting to an A321, but gets you to LA basis 3 1/2 hours earlier than if you fly BNE/HNL/LAX on HA.

Read on another forum that HA bookings out of BNE from around that time, aren't that special. Perhaps HA should be promoting BNE/HNL/LGB, as many would like to avoid crazy LAX. To drive between LAX & LGB takes less than 1/2 hour & LGB is closer to Disneyland !!!

At same time of year from mid January LGB/HNL/BNE doesn't connect on HA, but if HA moved LGB/HNL around 45 mins earlier or maybe even less, it would connect. Not sure if LGB can take an A330 but if it could, maybe HA could promote it as big time alternative to LAX, even if only on A321. Many hate LAX.

 

[pauly7]

My thoughts exactly - why won't American carriers fly to Brisbane.
It would be nice to have an alternative to QF and Virgin.
I would even be prepared to retry United again if they offered a non stop to the US.

On behalf of the city of Melbourne you are welcome to take our United flights away from us

 

[justinbrett]

My thoughts exactly - why won't American carriers fly to Brisbane.
It would be nice to have an alternative to QF and Virgin.
I would even be prepared to retry United again if they offered a non stop to the US.

My theory - majority of travellers travel with an airline based in their home country. Thus, the majority of travellers of Qantas are Australian, the majority of AA are American.

Whilst Brisbane is a large city, thus has a lot of business and leisure travellers that can support direct flights to the US. However, I don’t think it’s as big of a source of inbound tourism or business travellers FROM the US - not enough to warrant demand from a US carrier.

I also think is bizarre no Australian airline flies BNE-HNL, so HA is on a good wicket having a monopoly of that route. Perhaps because HNL is not all that far from removed from the Gold Coast

 

[ozfflyer]

My theory - majority of travellers travel with an airline based in their home country. Thus, the majority of travellers of Qantas are Australian, the majority of AA are American.

Whilst Brisbane is a large city, thus has a lot of business and leisure travellers that can support direct flights to the US. However, I don’t think it’s as big of a source of inbound tourism or business travellers FROM the US - not enough to warrant demand from a US carrier.

I also think is bizarre no Australian airline flies BNE-HNL, so HA is on a good wicket having a monopoly of that route. Perhaps because HNL is not all that far from removed from the Gold Coast

you'd think the reef would attract a few yanks, rather than fly to Sydney

 

[dajop]

you'd think the reef would attract a few yanks, rather than fly to Sydney

They're probably going to do SYD and the reef. And the reef is still a flight away from BNE. Whether it's 1:45 or 2:30 to get to HTI (or 2:30 or 3:05 to get to CNS), is immaterial, the extra 35-45 mins is nothing when you've travelled from the other side of the world.

And if they are Americans just want to fly in and out of BNE they can still pop onto an American website and book with an American carrier ... i.e. on AA* or DL# to get from BNE to LAX (and soon also to SFO and ORD).
* operated by QF
# operated by VA

 

[justinbrett]

They're probably going to do SYD and the reef. And the reef is still a flight away from BNE. Whether it's 1:45 or 2:30 to get to HTI (or 2:30 or 3:05 to get to CNS), is immaterial, the extra 35-45 mins is nothing when you've travelled from the other side of the world.

And if their American flying out of BNE they can still fly on AA* or DL# to get from BNE to LAX (and soon also to SFO and ORD).
* operated by QF
# operated by VA

Yep, this was my thinking as well. Most people either go to Sydney only or they go to Sydney and the reef. Not sure there’s a majority of people cutting out Sydney from the trip.

 

[kevrosmith]

"Bris-bayn? Where's Bris-bayn...?", I can hear them say already. There's probably a reason US carriers fly into Sydney, and marginally into "Mel-bORne", and I reckon it's more to do with their (lack-of) global geographic awareness rather than Airline economics.

 

[DC3]

"Bris-bayn? Where's Bris-bayn...?", I can hear them say already ...

Some would think of the Brisbane just outside of San Francisco.

 

[Quickstatus]

you'd think the reef would attract a few yanks, rather than fly to Sydney

Therein lies your answer. The leisure markets are better served by long haul LCC. Currently there are no long haul LCC in the US let alone any that will do a transpacific. Alternatively why would they go transpacific when lets of similar sightseeing can be gotten a few hours flight to the Bahamas or Mexico?