QF vs AA flight number on AA metal

[brucebrad]

Apart from no upgrade opportunities, what are the disadvantages of flying on an AA flight number vs a QF number on an AA flight? Trans-pacific in particular. I'm a QFF silver with QC.

 

[AustraliaPoochie]

Possibly less QF FF points and QF SC earnings flying a non QF flight number.

 

[andye]

Reduced status bonus (25% v 50% for PS)
No ~
Not contributing to P1 QF earn

 

[brucebrad]

Not contributing to P1 QF earn

If P1 means platinum1 then not relevant to me .

I think I also miss out on Qantas lounge access?

My understanding is that the AA benefits re seat choice and luggage are much the same as the Qantas ones. Is that correct?

 

[Himeno]

I assume you mean AA72/73 vs QF309/310?
You're QF Silver, so oneworld Ruby. Lounge access and most oneworld benefits won't apply, so any lounge access will be under QC rules, nor will you get any added luggage allowance or increased seat preselection as afforded to QF Gold/Platinum (OW Sapphire/Emerald), however AA doesn't charge bag fees to oneworld Ruby.
Using the AA code will mean no ~ and the flight not counting towards the 4 required QF/JQ flights to keep status. Status credits earn from an AA code also won't count towards the loyalty bonus.

Points and Status credit earn will depend on fare class, but as a silver on SYD-LAX:

Discount Economy
QF 6750 points 45SC
AA 2344 points 45SC

Economy
QF 10125 60
AA 4688 45

Fexible Economy
QF 13500 90
AA 9375 90

Premium Economy
QF 15750 90
AA 10125 90

Fexible Premium Economy
QF 16900 115
AA (no data)

Business
QF 18000 180
AA 11250 180

Fexible Business
QF 20250 200
AA (no data)

First
QF 22500 270
AA 13125 270

 

[downtheback]

Your usual Oneworld Benefits apply, if you have Qantas Gold or Platinum, you will be granted access to your respective lounge (business and first respectively) no matter if you fly with the QF or AA codeshare. The differences are in how Qantas will see the flight. With a QF code, it sees the flight as one of its own, ie, it counts as one of your "4 QF flights" for status, the Points and Status Credits will earn at the Qantas rates (ie more), and the status bonus will be more for Silver at least, gold and platinum may be the same. I see that you're Silver with Qantas Club. Either AA or QF code will grant you access to the Business Class Lounge, so no problems there. You will not be able to use your Qantas points to upgrade on AA metal, doesn't matter whether it's AA or QF flight number, as you need an AA account to upgrade on AA.

 

[JohnM]

I see that you're Silver with Qantas Club. Either AA or QF code will grant you access to the Business Class Lounge, so no problems there.

Not correct, I believe. PS only provides a couple of passes, not full access, does it not?

 

[AustraliaPoochie]

Hm, I have used the QF J lounges in SYD and AKL, as a QP member, and also the Associated Manaia Lounge at Christchurch as a QP member.
Edit: I am surprised that the SC earn for both QF and AA flight numbers on AA metal are the same, in every other scenario, QF and LA on LA metal for eg, the SC earn goes down the loo with a LA flight number.
But with AA, SC earn is the same, so your climb to SG could be helped by either QF or AA.
To sum up, earning QF FF points on AA metal is less, but SC earn is the same!

 

[kash_0]

If work books me on AA metal, am I able to have the Flight number transferred to a QF codeshare for earning purposes?
Hope that makes sense.

Cheers
Kash

 

[JohnPhelan]

Not correct, I believe. PS only provides a couple of passes, not full access, does it not?

OP said "Silver with Qantas Club"- i.e. he is a Silver FF and a member of the Qantas Club. So his Qantas Club membership will get him lounge access; FF status irrelevant.

 

[JohnPhelan]

If work books me on AA metal, am I able to have the Flight number transferred to a QF codeshare for earning purposes?
Hope that makes sense.

Cheers
Kash

No. Because the pricing may be different.

 

[kash_0]

Thought so, just thought I'd check.
Thanks for the reply

 

[brucebrad]

I've checked the website, and QP membership only gets me into lounges when my next flight is a QF number. So I would miss out on lounge access.

Anyway, I've now looked at the AA product at the pacific and don't want to go with them on either flight number. 10-across on a 777 would not be pleasant. (And there doesn't seem to be any easy way to get a guaranteed main cabin extra seat).

 

[Himeno]

10-across on a 777 would not be pleasant. (And there doesn't seem to be any easy way to get a guaranteed main cabin extra seat).

You either pay for it much like paying for "extra leg room seats" on QF, or having high oneworld status lets you pick them as "preferred" seats.

The AA hard product in J and F is quite good. The Y product, not so much.

 

[brucebrad]

My reading (and dummy booking) last night suggested that:
- You can't get a guaranteed MCE seat when booking from Australia (though maybe it comes at the end of booking process before you pay). For a travel agent to do it they need to be using a special product, which I guess Australian travel agents won't have.
- It looks like you can buy/choose them after booking if they are available if you are on an AA flight number (which, in fact, seems to be an advantage of having an AA rather than QF number).
- The MCE seats on the 777-300er are only 9 across (rather than 10), though this is likely to change in the future.

 

[JohnM]

OP said "Silver with Qantas Club"- i.e. he is a Silver FF and a member of the Qantas Club. So his Qantas Club membership will get him lounge access; FF status irrelevant.

Sorry - missed the 'with QC' bit.

 

[Mr_Orange]

- The MCE seats on the 777-300er are only 9 across (rather than 10), though this is likely to change in the future.

That being the case, MCE should be renamed Economy and the 10 across seating renamed Main Cabin Squashed! There is nothing extra about 9 across in a 777.

This 10 across cough in the 777 gives me the ****s.