Qantas Points and Status Credits - Let's make it simpler again!

[MarcB]

Hi All

It stuck me as I tried to digest the Qantas "simpler and fairer" changes, that my biggest issue was trying to wade through a mess of .png files masquerading as "tables". Putting aside the complexity of having to look at regions etc, to determine points and status credits, the system isn't that different from before - but the layout of the information is woeful. So I thought I'd have a crack at putting the information back into a digestible format that we were all more used to.

Putting aside partner airline SC and points earn, if you look at the Qantas flights earning component, it's basically as follows:

1. Mileage-based system for QF Domestic Flights (Zones); and
2. Region-based and/or Mileage-based for QF International Flights (Regional and Zonal).

As an example, although the Domestic earn explanation makes it look region-based with all the "example" routes and names like "Domestic Short", "Domestic Medium" and "Domestic Long", if you look at the definitions, these are still mileage based. So rather than Qantas' confusing categories which seem to require you to instinctively know distances or pray for an example route to be mentioned, you could instead summarise them as follows:

TABLE 1: QF DOMESTIC FLIGHTS

[TABLE="class: grid, width: 100%, align: center"]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Zone
[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Discount
Economy
[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Economy
[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Flexible
Economy
[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Premium
Economy
[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Flexible
Premium Economy
[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Business
[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Flexible
Business
[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]First
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]1
(0-750 Miles)
[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]10
[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]10
[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]20
[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]20
[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]20
[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]40
[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]45
[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]60
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]2
(751-1,500 Miles)
[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]15
[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]15
[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]30
[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]30
[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]30
[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]60
[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]70
[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]90
[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]3
(1,501+ Miles)
[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]20
[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]20
[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]40
[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]40
[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]40
[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]80
[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]95
[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]120
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Voila! Now we can once again plug routes into tools like Mileage Monkey and work out our SCs for domestic runs.

A similar process can be followed for International routes and for points earn.

Before I spend too much time filling the interweb with this, I'd like to understand if people see the above as useful? If they do, I'm happy to construct and upload the remaining tables. Perhaps down the track, someone who is more savvy than me could work on a website with an ACTUAL USEFUL calculator too??

Anyway, let me know your thoughts....and if you think I've made a glaring error in my assessment and attempt to simplify.

 

[mannej]

Isn't that table how it was previously? I don't see why it had to be made any harder than that. If you want to add extra levels of earning (flexible business etc), go ahead, but keep the basics simple.

 

[opusman]

Definitely simpler, but obviously not Simpler™.

 

[MarcB]

Isn't that table how it was previously? I don't see why it had to be made any harder than that. If you want to add extra levels of earning (flexible business etc), go ahead, but keep the basics simple.

Yes - it is like it was before. And that's my point - earn rates aside, it's not that different. It's just really hard to understand the QF tables. So this is about making it simpler again.

 

[Ansett]

Im just waiting for them to introduce Premium Economy and First Class Domestic especially on 737's

 

[Mr_Orange]

Perhaps down the track, someone who is more savvy than me could work on a website with an ACTUAL USEFUL calculator too??

Without wishing to blow my own trumpet too much, especially as this should still be considered a beta version of an SC and Points calculator.... see here: http://www.australianfrequentflyer....late-points-scs-qantas-42684.html#post1033331.

Feedback here or the other thread welcome. Note that one 'bug' I found is that it only works with ex-Aus flights, so for inbound itineraries just switch the origin and destination around before you enter them.

 

[MarcB]

Without wishing to blow my own trumpet too much, especially as this should still be considered a beta version of an SC and Points calculator.... see here: http://www.australianfrequentflyer....late-points-scs-qantas-42684.html#post1033331.

Feedback here or the other thread welcome. Note that one 'bug' I found is that it only works with ex-Aus flights, so for inbound itineraries just switch the origin and destination around before you enter them.

Great! Will check it out.

 

[MarcB]

Not to censor discussion, but I was hoping this thread would be more about clarifying the earn rates rather than another thread on how badly Qantas has done things etc.

Let's face it, there's already enough threads like that.

So it would be good if we could try and keep the discussion to whether the tables are useful - or suggestions for how we can make it easy to calculate SCs and points again!

 

[bammac]

Im just waiting for them to introduce Premium Economy and First Class Domestic especially on 737's

Maybe that will keep us from complaining about Jet* getting the damn 787s first! LOL

 

[MarcB]

TABLE 2: QF International Flights (Region-Based)



Sorry for the image file - can't upload the table without formatting issues...

 

[Stoopidsteve]

as the title of the post alludes to points too, the new partner earns are up.....no more status bonus for AA or others. Makes a big difference in points earned!

 

[QPProletarian]

Just a list of airports against the regions would be useful!

 

[Lowjhg]

as the title of the post alludes to points too, the new partner earns are up.....no more status bonus for AA or others. Makes a big difference in points earned!

Do you have the link?

 

[amaroo]

Frequent Flyer - Flying - Airline Earning Tables

SC for partner flights remain poor - bye, bye QFF

 

[Ansett]

The tables are certainly much easier and less cluttered well done

 

[Ansett]

Frequent Flyer - Flying - Airline Earning Tables

SC for partner flights remain poor - bye, bye QFF

I have had a look and it still does not show the Status Credits earned for partner airlines that I can find. All I can find is Points earn?

Disregard above as found it sorry

 

[hotpaws]

Interesting in the summary page of partner FF earnings, it completely omits the status bonus for AA.
However, clicking on American Airlines, it clearly states a status bonus, and the there is this page, which explains when a status bonus applies
Frequent Flyer - Earning Points - Fly - Earn Extra Points
Also what ever happened to the 30 days notice as per their T&Cs?

 

[Flying Fox]

Qantas said "simpler and fairer"

I'm experiencing "harder, more complicated and easier for us to hide any mistakes"

Disappointing to me!

 

[mannej]

Also what ever happened to the 30 days notice as per their T&Cs?

3.2 Qantas Loyalty will use best efforts to advise Members of material changes to these Terms and Conditions and, where such changes will limit Benefits:
(a) where the Benefit is provided by Qantas, to give Members at least 3 months notice;
(b) where the Benefit is provided by a third party, where possible give Members at least 30 days notice.

Will use best efforts = lawyer speak basically absolving that period of notice.

 

[Himeno]

Frequent Flyer - Flying - Airline Earning Tables

SC for partner flights remain poor - bye, bye QFF

That table doesn't look any different to the one I looked at last week...

AA coded QR operated still earns at AA rates correct?