Worrying scenes from inside as Flight attendants try to evacuate plane

[JohnK]

I'm not saying there are excuses but....

Assuming you are a woman (possibly my wife) travelling with husband and daughter and all your passports and cards and money are in your handbag in the overhead and you're in transit in a place with no visa? Or your handbag could be on the floor under seat in front.

Then you exit and your handbag gets burnt because it was left on board? I know life is more important but I would not want to be in this situation trying to get back out of this place without any identification or funds.

Yes no excuses but just saying....

 

[Groundfeeder]

Must get that vid onto TikTok before I'm charcoal. I'll be famous!!

 

[MEL_Traveller]

I'm not saying there are excuses but....

Assuming you are a woman (possibly my wife) travelling with husband and daughter and all your passports and cards and money are in your handbag in the overhead and you're in transit in a place with no visa? Or your handbag could be on the floor under seat in front.

Then you exit and your handbag gets burnt because it was left on board? I know life is more important but I would not want to be in this situation trying to get back out of this place without any identification or funds.

Yes no excuses but just saying....

An emergency visa wouod be granted at the border. The airline would provide accommodation, meals and cash. An emergency passport would be arranged and paid for by the airline. Really, those considerations are secondary.

More likely, i suspect, is the relationship between perceived danger and urgency to evacuate the plane.

If there is is immediate and apparent danger we’ve seen passengers move very quickly.

 

[MonteCristo]

I'm not saying there are excuses but....

Assuming you are a woman (possibly my wife) travelling with husband and daughter and all your passports and cards and money are in your handbag in the overhead and you're in transit in a place with no visa? Or your handbag could be on the floor under seat in front.

Then you exit and your handbag gets burnt because it was left on board? I know life is more important but I would not want to be in this situation trying to get back out of this place without any identification or funds.

Yes no excuses but just saying....

But just how hard is it to grab a bag? Even a large bag? Meanwhile, people waiting at the back had enough time to grab their bags, unpack, rearrange, and barter between each other, given how long the people up front were taking.

That took forever with seemingly next to no movement.

Most likely there were a couple of derps up front who just had no clue; or alternatively someone fell down or something similar, causing a blockage.

 

[jb747]

The only thing of even vague importance is your passport. And guess what, they fit in pockets. Whilst I’d hazard a guess at Americans being the worst at this behaviour, I suspect we’re not far behind.

Aircraft aborts. Comes to a halt, but then after about 30 seconds an evacuation is ordered. Heavy smoke visible out of a couple of doors, so the cabin crew don’t open them. People are grabbing the bags from the overhead and filling the aisle. Thin smoke appears in cabin. Rapidly becomes thicker. People start panicking and abandoning their bags in the aisle. End result is that some get out with their luggage. Then a few with out any. The rest remain with other peoples’ luggage as the toxic smoke overwhelms.

If you take your luggage in an evacuation you are a moron. If you try to justify it, doubly so.

Something else to ponder. The 737 overwing exits are opened by passengers, almost certainly without any regard to what is outside. There are no off wing slides on the 737, so if the flaps aren’t extended, it’s quite a way down. How often have we now seen people standing on the wing, whilst others who have used a main door are making a getaway.

 

[JohnK]

An emergency visa wouod be granted at the border. The airline would provide accommodation, meals and cash. An emergency passport would be arranged and paid for by the airline. Really, those considerations are secondary.

The scenario I described is totally hypothetical. I am not justifying the behaviour just highlighting that it can happen.

P.S. How could you possibly identify yourself with no identification? Would be interesting to see how long that would take and whether onward flights would also be replaced without travel insurance.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

The scenario I described is totally hypothetical. I am not justifying the behaviour just highlighting that it can happen.

P.S. How could you possibly identify yourself with no identification? Would be interesting to see how long that would take and whether onward flights would also be replaced without travel insurance.

Yes, all onward travel would be covered. No different to regular IRROPS.

There are a set number of passengers on the flight, all of them checked in with identification. If there was mis-matched passenger that would be a different issue!

 

[Aeryn]

If you are concerned then I suggest you keep you passport, phone and credit card on your person be it in your pocket, or a small neck pouch/sling/bumbag so no need to spend anytime looking for it, its attached to you just go as soon as ordered.

There is zero excuse for opening overhead bins, digging through seat pockets or under seats during an evacuation, nothing there that cant be replaced.

I also keep my shoes on at all times, you dont want to be sleeping experience an emergency and than be walking barefoot, dont care if sneakers + PJs looks odd its practical.

 

[Quickstatus]

relationship between perceived danger and urgency to evacuate the plane.

There was a research paper done some time (which I cant locate) ago which appear to correlate perception of immediate danger and going out exit with hand luggage. Higher perception of immediate danger = less hand luggage.
The problem is that perceptions can be wrong and a burning aircraft is not where you want to be wrong

 

[dajop]

Hard to tell from the video exactly how slow it was, but I honestly think I’ve seen regular disembarkation quicker than that, at least for LCCs that have very restrictive carry on policies (enforce restrictions or charge for larger carry ons)

 

[Eastwick20]

I wish the footage was monitored and that offenders exiting with baggage receive a knock on the door from authorities to be interviewed and are formally cautioned about their behaviour.

The reason why people still do it is that there are absolutely no repercussions.

 

[Dmac59]

In an emergency exit situation, maybe there should be a simple OH locker ‘lock function’ that the cabin crew could activate on their panel.
This could be reinforced during ‘emergency demonstration’ prior to departure, in an emergency lockers will not open for retrieval of HL.
Just thinking outside the square.

 

[jb747]

The reason why people still do it is that there are absolutely no repercussions.

True. Mover (YT) would like them put on a 5 year no fly list. Warnings would be pointless, as you need an outcome that is noticeable by others.

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In an emergency exit situation, maybe there should be a simple OH locker ‘lock function’ that the cabin crew could activate on their panel.
This could be reinforced during ‘emergency demonstration’ prior to departure, in an emergency lockers will not open for retrieval of HL.
Just thinking outside the square.

No, then they’d just be standing in the aisle, trying to force the bins open. And they’d still be rummaging under the seats for their other items. It’s the quite incredible selfishness. They are delaying the person behind them. I’d be quite happy for them to remain until all others are off, and they can get their luggage then…if, of course, they’re still able to even care about it at that point.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

In an emergency exit situation, maybe there should be a simple OH locker ‘lock function’ that the cabin crew could activate on their panel.
This could be reinforced during ‘emergency demonstration’ prior to departure, in an emergency lockers will not open for retrieval of HL.
Just thinking outside the square.

Possible the risks would outweigh the benefits here. For example if there was a power bank fire in the overhead and it tripped the locking mechanism.

 

[Dmac59]

Possible the risks would outweigh the benefits here. For example if there was a power bank fire in the overhead and it tripped the locking mechanism.

I totally agree with you @MEL_Traveller and @jb747, the risks would far outweigh potential benefits.
It's so annoying that this risky behaviour by some selfish and inconsiderate passengers will result in tragic outcomes for others.

 

[dajop]

I'm sure there's some work for a behavioural scientist here. It seems to be very common that people place more value on their own belongings than their or other peoples lives for whatever odd reason. I presume there aren't loud sirens because of the need to hear crew instructions, but whenever you have a loud siren it tends to get the blood pumping and escalate the seriousness and urgency.