What is Virgin Australia's strategy (post-administration)?

[twinaisle]

Batik Air are planning to return on PER-DPS before the end of the year, and they're a full service carrier including in Y, às opposed to VA's hybrid/Low Cost service in Y

They are not a full service carrier anymore. They've transitioned to pretty much hybrid carrier.

 

[mrmerc500]

I don’t mean to be pedantic but… none of the old ZK- registered Pacific Blue aircraft are on the VAI certificate anymore. They either went to Tiger, back to VAA or have since left the fleet (Rex has 1 of them now).

VAI is purely sky interior aircraft only. You definitely won’t be on one of the old clunkers all the way to Bali.

Again… nothing is being merged and there are no “lingering rumours” of AOCs being merged or the A320s joining VAA, I think this is just your own speculation.

Anyway, back to the main topic…

ADL-DPS is a good addition. I do notice MEL-DPS has a second daily flight over the peak period too. Perth would be a logical resumption, restoring the network they palmed off to Tiger. AirAsia is still below its pre-pandemic frequency and I don’t see Garuda/Citilink returning.

Yes indeed, we hope to see VA return to PER - DPS as confident their is a lot of pent up demand & know several FIFO’s / Families keen to return so would be unfair to exclude Perth when other major capitals now have direct DPS services.

What a disastrous situation that was with Tigerair!

 

[HS-TQE]

Question is whether if VA are willing tor return to one of the most congested/low yielding international routes (pre-COVID). Post covid, there are currently 2 turning into 3 competitors, potentially 4 - all either full LCC or a Hybrid/LCC service, which may leave little room for VA's Hybrid/LCC Y service as either the 4th or 5th competitor.

With JQ and QZ already back, OD set to return and a potential return from ID.
VA might find that using the 737 elsewhere (another East Coast rotation to MEL/SYD) may yield higher returns than a single daily DPS rotation.

 

[SCM]

What's the situation with ANA - are they no longer partners? I can't see ANA In the earning tables, but I swear I saw them previously on VA's website.

 

[AustraliaPoochie]

Virgin Australia's airline partners | Virgin Australia

www.virginaustralia.com

The NH (ANA) logo is still in the list of member airlines, though granted that maybe they didn't get around to changing it.
But QR (Qatar) is there, as is UA (United Airlines).
NZ (AirNZ) of course is not there, ... as they left a long time ago now from the alliance.
So, maybe with the NH logo there, its some comfort.
Maybe for now, if you are worried about no points earnt, for flying NH as a VFF member, put your points towards KF as those can be transferred to VFF, if you are not going to fly SQ that often.

 

[twiningb]

What's the situation with ANA - are they no longer partners? I can't see ANA In the earning tables, but I swear I saw them previously on VA's website.

A couple of weeks back someone posted the documents regarding the VA application for regulatory approval of codeshares. If I remember correctly, it specifically mentioned NH as a likely future codeshare partner alongside UA/QR/EY/SQ.

(Please feel free to link to that post, anyone who remembers where it is.)

 

[HS-TQE]

Iirc, EY wasn't mentioned alongside the major partners but was mentioned alongside the secondary partners (SA, VS, HNA group carriers, etc. NH was separated out from the 'big 3' (QR/UA/SQ) and the secondary partners (EY/VS/SA/etc) as a future partner

 

[antycbr]

Iirc, EY wasn't mentioned alongside the major partners but was mentioned alongside the secondary partners (SA, VS, HNA group carriers, etc. NH was separated out from the 'big 3' (QR/UA/SQ) and the secondary partners (EY/VS/SA/etc) as a future partner

I wonder if the issue has been Japan being closed. With things changing now it might get some more traction. Not a lot of point having a partner where Australians couldn’t really use them.

 

[ANstar]

Yes indeed, we hope to see VA return to PER - DPS as confident their is a lot of pent up demand & know several FIFO’s / Families keen to return so would be unfair to exclude Perth when other major capitals now have direct DPS services.

What a disastrous situation that was with Tigerair!

With Jetstar at 3 daily and 4 daily some days over the holidays it shows there is the demand out there.

 

[RAM]

With Jetstar at 3 daily and 4 daily some days over the holidays it shows there is the demand out there.

I wonder what Q's loading is for the "full service airline's" flights?

 

[jakeseven7]

I wonder what Q's loading is for the "full service airline's" flights?

Averages around 90%

 

[Harrison_133]

I wonder what Q's loading is for the "full service airline's" flights?

You can easily access the monthly data from BITRE, link here: https://www.bitre.gov.au/publications/ongoing/international_airline_activity-monthly_publications

Indonesia for July 2022 (most recent report):
Qantas Inbound - 91.6%, Outbound - 90.6%.
Virgin Inbound - 95.3%, Outbound - 90.7%
Jetstar Inbound - 92.6%, Outbound - 92.7%
AirAsia Inbound - 84.5%, Outbound - 80.8%

 

[TMP]

Virgin Atlantic is joining Sky Team in 2023

Cue the alliance talk, again...

Virgin Atlantic | Flying Club | SkyTeam

Virgin Atlantic will become SkyTeam’s first and only UK member airline, enhancing the alliance’s transatlantic network and services to and from Heathrow and Manchester Airport.

www.skyteam.com

 

[jase05]

Virgin Atlantic is joining Sky Team in 2023

Cue the alliance talk, again...

Virgin Atlantic | Flying Club | SkyTeam

Virgin Atlantic will become SkyTeam’s first and only UK member airline, enhancing the alliance’s transatlantic network and services to and from Heathrow and Manchester Airport.

www.skyteam.com

Fantastic that VS is joining SkyTeam

 

[HS-TQE]

Well that nixes the idea that DL is looking at nixing the Skyteam alliance entirely. I wonder if LATAM is next to join Sky in that case.

On a local note, considering reports that Bain was reported to be shopping/selling off part of VA to NZ (before NZ nixed the VA merger/sale talks in the local media), I do wonder if Bain was 'desperate' enough to shop VA across most of the *A founders including partner UA and even LH

Or even Bain try to 'convince' SQ to have a '3rd' 4th shot at the Australian market (despite SQ's combined billion dollar loses at AN, TT and VA 1.0 across the past few decades)

 

[AustraliaPoochie]

Just saw on Executive Traveller that VS (VA's sort of liaison airline partner) has joined ST.
Would be nice if VA did join that one, seeing that no one in *A wants them.
Yes, I know VA has said they won't join an alliance anytime soon.

 

[jase05]

Very happy to see LST returning to the fold from ADL

PER-LST resuming October 29th
ADL-LST resuming December 15th

3 per week for both routes although that could increase

 

[Harrison_133]

PER-LST resuming October 29th
ADL-LST resuming December 15th

Also OOL-LST resuming April 6th 2023

 

[HS-TQE]

I would guess PER-LST would eventually be using either an A320 or a PER based 737-700. Both aircraft are the all-Y config.

ADL-LST could technically be possible on a 737-700 under a PER-LST-ADL-LST-PER type rotation.

 

[jase05]

I would guess PER-LST would eventually be using either an A320 or a PER based 737-700. Both aircraft are the all-Y config.

ADL-LST could technically be possible on a 737-700 under a PER-LST-ADL-LST-PER type rotation.

Don’t give them any ideas!
Those 737-700’s can all stay in PER thank you