Western Sydney Airport (WSI) Discussion

[elanshin]

I hope the same will happen for Hong Kong soon.
Hong Kong desperately need additional frequencies to WSI.
We cannot afford to pay $7000 for return to HKG when to other neighbouring ports are only costing $3000 - 4000 return.

We're currently not maxed out on the HKG bilateral. In fact on our side we're using about 1/5th of the availability. Sure Cathy and Hong Kong Airlines are running close to the maximum there. Rather the question you should be asking is why is Cathay fleecing the Australian market directly to HKG. (Add in a stop to SZX or CAN and the price drops significantly fir more flying).

Realistically there's no fix for Cathay pricing unless Qantas seriously challenges them. They control a fair chunk of the market and can get away with a premium.

CX are below that at present, so much for wanting to fly more with service reductions to Syd/Per/Bne and Mel

HX has flights too.

 

[markis10]

HX has flights too.

Yep, doesn’t change the fact they are below the capacity limit. Haven’t flown HX for awhile, might have to try them again.

 

[elanshin]

Yep, doesn’t change the fact they are below the capacity limit. Haven’t flown HX for awhile, might have to try them again.

Aren't they pretty close fluctuating between capacity and a bit under with 3-4 daily syd, 3-4 daily mel and 2 each from per/bne on CX and 1 from syd/mel for HX? Its the Aus side that's under utilising I thought.

 

[markis10]

Aren't they pretty close fluctuating between capacity and a bit under with 3-4 daily syd, 3-4 daily mel and 2 each from per/bne on CX and 1 from syd/mel for HX? Its the Aus side that's under utilising I thought.

Not with the service reductions announced last month to most destinations

 

[AuSammy]

Not with the service reductions announced last month to most destinations

Just curious. Does anyone know if this is due to a drop in patronage or concerns over fuel?

 

[elanshin]

Not with the service reductions announced last month to most destinations

I assumed that is to do with the current Middle east situation and fuel concerns not necessarily indicative of medium term plans.

 

[RooFlyer]

If CX, QF and others are having no problems selling j seats at premium price, why increase operating costs to add more flights for less profit per seat, especially since if they wanted to they can already do so without WSI.

Well, growth for one thing. SYD is at capacity (give or take), and subject to curfew (and no, that won't change). 10 years from now - you think CX, QF etc are going to still just be sitting at SYD twiddling their thumbs wondering why other airlines are growing their share by using WSI?

And I think we've been told that freight carried on international passenger flights turns a good dollar. Is Qantas happy to let other airlines take the growth in that too? That's not the airline I know.

Thread of 69 pages and people are still not getting that WSI isn't for 2026 - its for 2030 and beyond.

 

[Saab34]

Perhaps QR might remove its VA ‘wet lease’ from Mascot and run this one instead.

If it becomes successful for them I don’t think it would be too hard asking for a second bilateral to WSI. The minister would be keen for the growth out west.

 

[Quickstatus]

Im waiting for the first aircraft which just missed the SYD curfew to land at WSI.

 

[Aeryn]

Well, growth for one thing.

Your reply out of conrext and misses the point. OP claimed more HKG flights are needed at WSI at launch because capacity to HKG is constrained at other airports when this is currently far from true.

CX already havre spare slots at SYD and elsewhere if there was a real profit to be made right now in using them they would. But no they have cut capacity from most aus airports they dont need more flights right noew.

And flights from WSI in J (if any airlines even offer J from there) will not miraculously hslve in cost as the OP claimed. In fact from the flights that are already on sale for WSI are not any cheaperr than SYD.

 

[Saab34]

Im waiting for the first aircraft which just missed the SYD curfew to land at WSI.

Got me thinking, what will VA do if they don’t start out there right away. Probably go back to origin or Canberra.

Those Avalon diversions VA has done over the years always results in 3/4 hrs on the ground.

Hopefully they don’t take too long to get people on the ground out there.

 

[Aeryn]

Probably go back to origin

That would be my preferencr.

 

[HS-TQE]

I'd suspect VA will return to origin if they miss SYD and chose not to serve WSI on opening day/the NW26/27 season.

CBR seems a bit expensive to file as a "missed curfew" alternate even though VA does serve the airport.