Western Sydney Airport (WSI) Discussion

[jase05]

I think the recent article just goes to show that WSI may not be the instant goldmine to start off with

I don’t think that was ever the real plan.
Just getting the majority of freight out of the dump that is SYD is just fine for me currently.

 

[AuSammy]

It also doesn't have a $5+bn terminal or $10+bn railway. There is rightly some expectation of expensive assets being used.

One could have probably drawn the same analogy for MEL way back when, big new shiny airport 3 terminal airport, six lane Tulla highway that had very little traffic

On a visit to Melbourne by car (couldn't afford flights) in about 1971 driving out from the city I was in awe of this big highway and only saw 2-3 cars in the whole trip to the airport.

 

[Aeryn]

Just getting the majority of freight out of the dump that is SYD is just fine for me currently.

But thats just it, the majority of freight comes in on passenger aircraft so unless the majority of passengers flights are at WSI its not going to be quite the boon some think.

Freight only flights sure; but given DHL hasnt opted in does that just leave the QF Aus Post flights?

 

[moa999]

DHL spent $140m for land adjacent to Badgerys Creek and are currently planning a massive warehouse

DHL Unveils $180m Logistics Precinct at Badgerys Creek

DHL proposes four new logistics warehouses at Badgerys Creek, now on exhibition until 19 May as part of the Aerotropolis precinct.

urbandigest.com.au

They may not move Day 1.. but I think you can see where the future is.

There are quite a few other freight operators into SYD.

16Right - Cargo

16right.com

Toll has a new facility at Kemp's Creek.

 

[jase05]

Freight only flights sure; but given DHL hasnt opted in does that just lea

DHL will get there eventually.
Toll and FedEx will be out there from the start.
APG are the ones who will benefit the most obviously as operations at SYD severely hamper the business

 

[markis10]

But thats just it, the majority of freight comes in on passenger aircraft so unless the majority of passengers flights are at WSI its not going to be quite the boon some think.

The majority of freight USED to come on passenger aircraft, that’s been rapidly changing since COVID and changes in ecommerce. In many ways the Sydney curfew forces this to happen, given the very low capacity aircraft used during curfew hours with limited destinations meaning morning flights pickup the slack. The three Amazon centres at WSI will come into play allowing orders late into the evening and still deliver next day, they cannot do that now, there will also be better connectivity for interstate transfer of inbound airfreight arriving in the afternoons that often result in a days delay at SYD.
One dedicated A330 freighter takes six times the load a BAE146 carries, (or 15-20x a pax A320), along with the A321P2F both are forced to ply routes away from Syd overnight.

 

[SYD]

Just getting the majority of freight out of the dump that is SYD is just fine for me currently.

For those 5.5m of us not transiting, SYD is far from a dump (well, T2 is pretty coughty).

But I’m struggling to think of a better international airport in Oz to depart / arrive than SYD T1? Maybe PER T1 is up there now they have a train…?

I’m hoping (as mentioned up thread), shifting the dedicated freight to WSI ought to allow SYD T1 to expand to a few more gates but don’t know if that’s on the airport master plan.

 

[RB001]

if that’s on the airport master plan.

Affirmative, from:

Master Plan 2039 - Downloads

# Master Plan 2039 - [Sydney Airport Master Plan 2039](//downloads.ctfassets.net/v228i5y5k0x4/6BdjDg1hDpubx2F8817NrI/597809341db00e0953a2df403a53136c/Sydney_Airport_Master_Plan_2039_F.pdf) - [Sydney Airport Environmental Strategy 2019-2024](//assets.

www.sydneyairport.com.au

 

[SYD]

Affirmative, from:

Master Plan 2039 - Downloads

# Master Plan 2039 - [Sydney Airport Master Plan 2039](//downloads.ctfassets.net/v228i5y5k0x4/6BdjDg1hDpubx2F8817NrI/597809341db00e0953a2df403a53136c/Sydney_Airport_Master_Plan_2039_F.pdf) - [Sydney Airport Environmental Strategy 2019-2024](//assets.

www.sydneyairport.com.au

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Ah, I knew I hadn’t dreamt that….!

Still hoping for some sort of consolidation of mixed use Dom/Int at T2/3 to remove some transit pain points. But that seems to have gone off the boil along with TT being treated like “Domestic”.

 

[jase05]

For those 5.5m of us not transiting, SYD is far from a dump (well, T2 is pretty coughty).

I’m talking about freight specifically. Horrible airport in that regard

 

[Aeryn]

I imagine many airlines love the flexibility of being able to take freight or extra freight when passenger loads are light to keep routes profitable; but they wont want to have to divert to WSI to do so. There will for the foreseeable future still be plenty of freight going through SYD on passenger planes.

 

[jase05]

I imagine many airlines love the flexibility of being able to take freight or extra freight when passenger loads are light to keep routes profitable; but they wont want to have to divert to WSI to do so. There will for the foreseeable future still be plenty of freight going through SYD on passenger planes.

From a purely selfish POV it won’t be our freight thought.
Australian domestic air freight is our gold mine and from which my bonuses come from. SYD is costing us substantially at the moment

 

[ayebee]

Can someone please post the fact check URL

Your question made me also wonder, so found the master plan currently out for comment to 2 Sept.

Plans | WSI

wsiairport.com.au

Hope I am not infringing copyright, but copied one page with short and long term plans...

 

[SYD]

Your question made me also wonder, so found the master plan currently out for comment to 2 Sept.

Plans | WSI

wsiairport.com.au

Hope I am not infringing copyright, but copied one page with short and long term plans...

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Yep, that’s what I mentioned upthread. The potential expansion is more than just duplicating (mirror image) but lengthening the current terminal and then duplicating (probably in stages also).

 

[ayebee]

Yep, that’s what I mentioned upthread. The potential expansion is more than just duplicating (mirror image) but lengthening the current terminal and then duplicating (probably in stages also).

That looks like many stages to a very large airport at some future date which I will never see.
I am just hoping to see a train to MEL

Good to see long term strategy considered though.

 

[moa999]

Some new interior footage..
Unfortunately not detailed just a random selection.

then duplicating (probably in stages also

The initial gates are reportedly numbered 19-27 so suggest that they will expand left along the current runway to start with.

 

[Melburnian1]

I don't know how many folks have been able to get behind the paywall and have read of the article from the Oz, but it is pretty damning.

I subscribe, and read it. Agree it was a negative for WSI.

I can't see the attraction of this airport for so-called legacy international airlines. They are unlikely to attract those in J (or F, rarely offered) which is an important component as to how airlines in good economic times make moolah.

I am just hoping to see a train to MEL

Yes, while there is a High Speed Rail Authority, it's making very slow progress, and initially even if funded it'll only be Sydney to Newcastle NSW.

 

[kamchatsky]

Yes, while there is a High Speed Rail Authority, it's making very slow progress, and initially even if funded it'll only be Sydney to Newcastle NSW.

I think ayebee was referring a train from Melbourne CBD to MEL ...

 

[SeatBackForward]

They are unlikely to attract those in J (or F, rarely offered) which is an important component as to how airlines in good economic times make moolah.

Is that a huge assumption that WSI candidate travellers can't afford J?? I suspect that would be a very wrong assumption to make.

 

[moa999]

And we've already seen SQ sign-on.

And I suspect the biggest attraction to them is the 24hr ops.
The same could well be true for some of the ME airlines to meet flight banks they can't due to the SYD curfew.