Western Sydney Airport (WSI) Discussion

[jpp42]

Umm, I don’t think the call was for culling the curfew, that’s a different issue, but instead culling the curfew flights - i.e. making a representation to discontinue the temporary permissions granted during covid for certain flights to operate outside the curfew.

Exactly - I can't read the AFR article but I can see from the summary: "Officials are considering cancelling special allowances for cargo operators to fly outside curfew after the ex-PM wrote to Labor demanding it be scrapped."

I believe this refers to short-haul domestic or Trans-Tasman cargo, formerly operated by BAE 146 aircraft (which had a legislated exemption in the original 1995 curfew law), which during Covid was extended to narrowbody freight (A320/B737 or similar), to account for increased freight demand during Covid. Article here.
It says this is meant to expire in mid-2024, so I suppose Scomo is trying to make sure this will happen as scheduled.

This probably deserves a new thread if the moderators could oblige?
Although to make it on topic, I will note: "The Sydney Airport Curfew Act 1995 provides that once Western Sydney Airport is able to be used for night aircraft movements, the exceptions relating to freight, propeller and small jet aircraft will cease to apply at Sydney Airport." Reference.

 

[RooFlyer]

Umm, I don’t think the call was for culling the curfew, that’s a different issue, but instead culling the curfew flights - i.e. making a representation to discontinue the temporary permissions granted during covid for certain flights to operate outside the curfew.

The federal electorate of Grayndler is held by a certain Mr A. Albanese and lies right under the main NS runway flight path. This request might get some traction.

 

[dajop]

The federal electorate of Grayndler is held by a certain Mr A. Albanese and lies right under the main NS runway flight path. This request might get some traction.

Isn't it a pre-requisite to become PM now, to have an electorate under a SYD flight path?

 

[elanshin]

Back to originally discussing WSI's rail link, the current plan is ok, but does take a couple of transfers. WSI > St Mary's > Central > Airport Line.

I suspect a bus / shuttle company will step in and provide an airport to airport shuttle via M5.

Long term, I wonder if they'll connect WSI station to SW Sydney given the growth in that area. It would also serve as a great radial route for those trying to go from the SW to the Blacktown area.

We could alsk see the Sydney West Metro extended either to St Mary or straight into aerotropolis in the longer term future as an extension.

Overall, this line looks to be serving quite a useful function with reasonable expansion options.

 

[Rich]

It's interesting that the map on the Sydney Metro web site includes the gray segments ('business case promised')

They do business cases for rail infrastructure in NSW? How novel.

 

[Himeno]

At risk of getting off topic here, passenger curfew landings are only allowed from 5am to 6am, right? And only if they can land from over the water, regardless of weather possibly favouring the other direction (this rule also applies to overnight cargo flights).

If HND can operate 24 hours with overnight flights landing/departing over the bay, I don't see why SYD can't.

 

[justinbrett]

Looks like the ICAO code will be YSWS according to this Airservices doc:

https://www.avsef.gov.au/sites/default/files/2023-12/documents/airservices_wsia_ga_industry_briefing_paper_dec_23.pdf

 

[TheInsider]

A cool drone footage video regarding the building and how it's progressing

 

[RooFlyer]

Thanks. Yes very interesting.

The airbridges - looks like they are doing one plane either side of the pier coming off the main terminal building?? So only one actual air bridge per plane? Or will the other one on the other side curve around?

 

[n7of9]

I noticed that as well ..i think it's 2060's, and not the year 20,605

 

[moa999]

The airbridges - looks like they are doing one plane either side of the pier coming off the main terminal building?? So only one actual air bridge per plane? Or will the other one on the other side curve around?

Think it's two narrow bodies or one widebody (with front and mid loading)

 

[justinbrett]

Thanks. Yes very interesting.

The airbridges - looks like they are doing one plane either side of the pier coming off the main terminal building?? So only one actual air bridge per plane? Or will the other one on the other side curve around?

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OOL has almost the same design. Each gate has a L & R parking spot (eg 9L/9R) for narrowbodies and if used by a widebody there's a third central spot (9) that uses both aerobridges.

 

[AustraliaPoochie]

Actually, the can do 2 planes for int aerobridges, if they have the thick glass divider down the walkway.
Of course, as in the pax, we dont know for now if that is the int/dom terminals.
Even if int has dep and arr on 2 levels, the aerobridge can tilt, and one ramp comes down to th plane from dep, and the other side can tilt up to int arr.
And a gate at the end with a card reader, that is usually locked.
Pax in the int side would have been immi cleared and int sec cleared too.
Even for dom pax, it can be done, like the circulars part at SYD T3 or BNE dom.

 

[RooFlyer]

Think it's two narrow bodies or one widebody (with front and mid loading)

Exactly as you say - from the early promo film:



although narrow bodies (domestic) are planned to get the rough end of the pineapple (they'd love to have the apron this full )

 

[SeatBackForward]

Here's another look at the aerobridges - this is from LinkedIn

[Video] Western Sydney International Airport on LinkedIn: #wsi #westernsydney #aviation #aerobridges | 54 comments

Our aerobridges have arrived, and they are looking mighty fine! ✈ The first six of thirteen aerobridges have been installed and will provide the link between… | 54 comments on LinkedIn

www.linkedin.com

 

[justinbrett]

although narrow bodies (domestic) are planned to get the rough end of the pineapple (they'd love to have the apron this full )

Again, exactly as it is now in OOL. It also has the staggered stop positions like your photo.

 

[elanshin]

I wonder how many a380 compatible gates they'd build now. Would there even be many a380s going to WSI?

Potentially EK and that's it? Even for EK i feel they'd just send the 777.

 

[RooFlyer]

I wonder how many a380 compatible gates they'd build now.

Bus gate

 

[SYD]

I wonder how many a380 compatible gates they'd build now. Would there even be many a380s going to WSI?

Potentially EK and that's it? Even for EK i feel they'd just send the 777.

Probably zero given they’re not building A380s anymore and those flying might be retired before serious long haul flights start operating out of WSI.

 

[justinbrett]

I'm sure there'll have an A380 capable gate (even Darwin has one), but not one optimised for A380s (forget about triple aerobridges).

I don't think it will be uncommon for A380s to divert there every now and then.