VA562 misses Sydney curfew but lines up for approach anyway

[jase05]

I believe the Bae146 is also approved, even though its a jet. Hence why they use them as freighters. This may have changed but it certainly was the case

Yes, our 146’s are approved but even that is nowhere near satisfactory for us and is costing us substantially so hence why WSI can’t come quick enough

 

[SeaWolf]

There's a list of the exemptions on the DoT's website:

Curfew at Sydney Airport

Summary of Key Features The Curfew Sydney Airport has a curfew in place that applies to aircraft operations between 11.00 pm and 6.00 am (local time).

www.infrastructure.gov.au

I have been on a delayed flight that took advantage of this exemption and took off a few minutes after 11pm.

Any aircraft that received taxi clearance from Air Traffic Control (ATC) before the curfew period starts.

If that was the case, why doesn't QantasLink run Q400 flights to/from SYD after 11pm? (Assuming there would be demand)

Looking at the MTOW of the Dash-8 Q400, I think that QantasLink probably could get the necessary noise certs and operate them after the curfew, but given their regional range it's probably not practical in demand terms. Who wants to fly down to Canberra at 11:30pm and arrive after midnight? There might be a handful of people if it was cheap enough, but certainly not enough to make it commercially viable.

 

[Quickstatus]

To the best of my knowledge, the Sydney ‘curfew’ is actually a ‘jet ban’

No, the curfew restricts aircraft movements to:
1) Propellor and Jet aircraft which comply with the noise restrictions in the Act and are under 34Tons MTOW
2) Any aircraft given taxi clearance prior to curfew period starts
3) Any energency aircraft
4) Any aircraft given Ministerial dispensation

5) freight aircraft -cbut they can only be BAe 146 4 engine jets

A Q400 MTOW is under 34Tons. So theoretically possible. However where are you going to get the aircraft and the crew from at that time of the day. 3 will be needed for a 737-800. That would mean 3 airframes and 3 crew would need to be on call, and if they are stood up they may well impact on the nextday's scheduled services.

In any case it is moot because when WSI is built, these exceptions will cease to exist as per the provisions in the Sydney Airport Curfew Act 1995

 

[Viridis]

No, the curfew restricts aircraft movements to:
1) Propellor and Jet aircraft which comply with the noise restrictions in the Act and are under 34Tons MTOW
2) Any aircraft given taxi clearance prior to curfew period starts
3) Any energency aircraft
4) Any aircraft given Ministerial dispensation

5) freight aircraft -cbut they can only be BAe 146 4 engine jets

A Q400 MTOW is under 34Tons. So theoretically possible. However where are you going to get the aircraft and the crew from at that time of the day. 3 will be needed for a 737-800. That would mean 3 airframes and 3 crew would need to be on call, and if they are stood up they may well impact on the nextday's scheduled services.

In any case it is moot because when WSI is built, these exceptions will cease to exist as per the provisions in the Sydney Airport Curfew Act 1995

Oh please …. lighten up a little

Perhaps the emoji were neither sufficient nor appropriate …

Theoretically, the airline could send multiple propeller aircraft to pick up the passenger load from a diverted widebody

But my post was tongue-in-cheek.

In the grand scheme of things, I simply don’t care. When WSI opens (in a completely inadequate single-runway config’) I’ll be retired

When I’m on leisure travel if my wife & I end up at the wrong airport …. I can’t imagine getting terribly exercised about it

 

[Quickstatus]

But my post was tongue-in-cheek.

I saw the emojis but they are not tongue in cheek emojis but rather more along the lines of "hey, here is a crazy idea"
I think a tongue in cheek emoji is closer to: (winking face with tongue)

 

[DC3]

I seem to have lost track of how many times VA562 has missed the SYD curfew, but lined up for approach anyway.

 

[Viridis]

I saw the emojis but they are not tongue in cheek emojis but rather more along the lines of "hey, here is a crazy idea"
I think a tongue in cheek emoji is closer to: (winking face with tongue)

I apologise

I blame my children for not educating me appropriately ....

 

[Mattg]

There's a list of the exemptions on the DoT's website:

Curfew at Sydney Airport

Summary of Key Features The Curfew Sydney Airport has a curfew in place that applies to aircraft operations between 11.00 pm and 6.00 am (local time).

www.infrastructure.gov.au

I have been on a delayed flight that took advantage of this exemption and took off a few minutes after 11pm.



Looking at the MTOW of the Dash-8 Q400, I think that QantasLink probably could get the necessary noise certs and operate them after the curfew, but given their regional range it's probably not practical in demand terms. Who wants to fly down to Canberra at 11:30pm and arrive after midnight? There might be a handful of people if it was cheap enough, but certainly not enough to make it commercially viable.

I would actually take an 11pm SYD-CBR flight by choice! But yes, I understand this point.

In some markets, airlines actually have a large bank of prop flights from their hubs to regional destinations leaving between 11pm-midnight. They return around 5-7am. Finnair at HEL, Austrian at VIE and LOT at WAW are three examples of this. This is often seen in the US as well. But these flights (a) provide connectivity to large banks of flights arriving in the evening and departing in the morning from these airlines' hubs, and (b) are necessary for aircraft utilisation. QantasLink tends to operate its last flights out to regional destinations around 6-7pm and use the same crew to bring the aircraft back in the morning, instead.