VA1522 TSV-SYD: passenger fights with pilot

[Saab34]

Qantas don't seem to follow this practice any more so there's a higher risk there.

Interesting as J* seems to. The FA asked the loo queue to move back to I think it was Row 3 and wait. Same for coughpit entry and exit.

 

[jakeseven7]

Yes, when I switched over from QF to VA, it was very noticeable that the VA FAs were much more proactive & apparent in 'guarding' the coughpit door when pilots emerge in flight.

Attracting clientele like this then it’s clearly warranted!

Reminds me of that other fight on Jetstar.

 

[Vic]

That's rarely the attitude of police in such a situation. Perhaps they've already been in touch with the airline or staff involved requesting further information and/or statements.

For the courts if the case proceeds to a plea, finding of guilt and subsequent sentence, the principle of 'general deterrence', ineffective as it may be perceived at times, is one possible aspect for the magistrate or judge to consider.

The airline may wish to deliver a public message that it doesn't tolerate (alleged) assaults, given there seems to have been physical contact.

Of course, we don't know the attitude of the staff: if they don't want to provide a statement, any case against the alleged assailant may collapse, or be rendered weaker.

The judiciary certainly take note of victim impact statements if these are included in the court book.

Sure, I agree it looked like assault, potentially.
I'm not going to second guess if the airline wants to send a public message. But I would speculate that banning them from flying with the airline is a pretty strong public message.

Police proceeding to court will depend on having evidence to support their case. The attitude of individual police doesn't override the need for evidence. Putting aside the history of the 'moonlight state'.

I'm not sure that airline staff are going to be too bothered by a bit of pushy, shovey. Because they all seem to be highly motivated and assertive. The types of personal characteristics that got them into the job in a competitive selection process makes me speculate they won't be bothered enough to go to court.
Not saying they should have to put up with that cough.

So where you say 'if the case proceeds...'. My reply is 'IF'.
Also do they (AFP) have the option of expiated offences?

It's a covert operation, but they are called Air security officers. They travel incognito, and not a lot of details whether Dom or int or both and whether armed.

I wonder if they have SC accumulation as a perk?

I thought Commonwealth govt allowed Status accumulation but not points...

 

[Quickstatus]

still a risk element there

Qantas don't seem to follow this practice any more

Must be a QF enhancement

t looked a lot like assault

I think common assault can also be just a threat of violence?

but no points on CoA travel

Thats Ok, SC is the all important...

 

[jb747]

@TheInsider and/or @jb747 may be able to advise how the airlines support employees in this situation and how the witness requirements are handled.

Historically they'll provide any support you might need.

Aren't we here in Aust "supposed" to have "flight marshalls" on dom flights too?
Think I read somewhere they have them on int flights, and we are paying for the service via dom airlines "security" levy.
Of course, their cover would be blown if they said anything, maybe the "pax" who "escorted" the person off was one.

They exist. That's all you need to know. Generally they do not become involved in events like this. Just call the police.

 

[justinbrett]

With VA it's less likely as they have a FA standing in front the galley to prevent this during flight. Obviously, still a risk element there.

Qantas don't seem to follow this practice any more so there's a higher risk there.

I've noticed AA in recent years now have a FA with a trolley sideways blocking the aisle from inside the front galley whilst the other enters the coughpit to give F&B/pilot uses the toilet.

Seemed a little over the top to me, but there you go.

 

[Rangalad]

It's a covert operation, but they are called Air security officers. They travel incognito, and not a lot of details whether Dom or int or both and whether armed.

I wonder if they have SC accumulation as a perk?

Points no, SC yes in line with the Australia Government travel policy.

 

[AustraliaPoochie]

News article, of late today, but happened this morning,
OffT
Well, an AirCanada flight was diverted from to HNL, should be flying YVR - BNE as a guy started groping women in flight, and lifiting dresses, and put a FA out by strangling him/her.
Edit: turns out Aussies have been very naughty of late, also read about the 2 on the AirAsia flight KUL to Thailand.
OnT.
Turns out AC crew have handcuffs on the plane!

 

[HS-TQE]

Attracting clientele like this then it’s clearly warranted!

Reminds me of that other fight on Jetstar.

Or on any Bali flight on any airline out of Australia

 

[HS-TQE]

News article, of late today, but happened this morning,
OffT
Well, an AirCanada flight was diverted from to HNL, should be flying YVR - BNE as a guy started groping women in flight, and lifiting dresses, and put a FA out by strangling him/her.OnT.
Turns out AC crew have handcuffs on the plane!

Been plenty of examples on the US3 as well, not just limited to AC.

A recent WestJet flight to Gatwick was turned back due a 'sovereign citizen' not complying to mask related mandates without providing an approved exemption.

Calgary-London flight turns back, ‘unruly passenger’ arrested | Globalnews.ca

About one hour into an eight-hour flight, a WestJet plane bound for London, England returned to the Calgary airport after a passenger assaulted a member of the flight crew.

globalnews.ca