USA FAA Mandated Security Screen Doors

[MEL_Traveller]

I wonder if there may also be a mandate in the future to have 2 people in coughpits at all time coming. In which case the FA up front would enter the coughpit while the pilot is relieving themselves thus a barrier adds extra layer with people shuffling about and such.

As for 2 people in the coughpit at all times, I'm surprised this isn't a mandate these days still given the various incidents we've had over the years with a pilot going rogue.

Many airlines did, after Germanwings. I read the FAA still mandates it in the US, and some other countries do to.

Other countries and airlines have not mandated it.

Would it prevent a committed pilot attempting to crash the plane? Dunno.

 

[HMcM]

And I haven't been talking about 'breaching the coughpit' - I've been talking about an attack on a pilot in the galley, which I'm happy for airlines to take precautions to mitigate against.

And how many times in the last 25 years has that happened? This is an obvious safety hazard to remedy a problem that does not exist.

Would it prevent a committed pilot attempting to crash the plane? Dunno.

I don't think a FA is going to do much good against a suicidal pilot who wants to put the aircraft into the drink.

 

[TheCollecter]

I also guess Airbus will have to comply if they want to continue selling aircraft in the US market.

Bombardier might also like to sell aircraft in the US… maybe a flimsy looking louvre door will be enough to blind side Uncle Donald?

 

[RooFlyer]

But that’s the very reason for the secondary barrier… to protect the flight deck when the door is opened: https://www.faa.gov/newsroom/faa-requires-secondary-flight-deck-barrier

No 'but' necessary - I'm happy with the new precaution!

I dont draw a distinction between pilots and other cabin crew when it comes to safety from attack. So if pilots in the galley are at risk, what protections are we going to provide for cabin crew?

Agree with that sentiment, and I did say 'I'd still rather have both pilots (at least) unmolested' in post #16, but the grim reality is that at 30,000 ft, a pilot or 2 are more critical to everyone's safety/survival than anyone else.

And how many times in the last 25 years has that happened? This is an obvious safety hazard to remedy a problem that does not exist.

And you may wonder why it hasn't happened in 25 years? I also say to you - do you think the bad guys have given up? Read the commentary in today's papers, for instance. EG AFR: Times have changed, but 9/11 never completely goes away

 

[MEL_Traveller]

And you may wonder why it hasn't happened in 25 years? I also say to you - do you think the bad guys have given up? Read the commentary in today's papers, for instance. EG AFR: Times have changed, but 9/11 never completely goes away

I don’t wonder… we know.

It was a one off 25 years ago because no one ever thought hijackers would crash the planes.

We responded with reinforced coughpit doors. And passengers are now willing to get involved to restrain other passengers.

Plastic cutlery went away. Having to take all your cabin baggage in a clear plastic bag (no cases) went away.

Under the new barrier rule you’d have to have three, maybe four pax all sitting in business class, waiting to spring in to action at an unknown time, which may not even occur on a domestic flight. They’d have to get past at least one FA, and the pilot closing the door as they exited.

What I can see is cabin crew on US domestics closing the barrier because the pilot indicated they might be coming out to use the WC… ‘at some time’. Or ‘we’re waiting to hear from the pilots when we can serve them their meal’.

so the barrier will be closed for extended periods and they won’t have to conduct service, allow pax into ‘their space’, or allow pax to use the forward WC.

There are other, real risks, facing airliner security. I don’t see this as being close to the top of those priorities.