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3. People behind me, I am not a bobble-head toy. My head isn't made to spring backward and forward, which is does when you use the seat as a level to get your lazy a$# out of your seat and then let go.

I am sorry if I have ever done this!

I try my very best to avoid doing it, but at 6'4" (maybe a bit more) it's just so difficult to get out of the Y seats when not in the aisle seat.

And in regards to reclining seats, amen! Being as tall as I am, as soon as someone presses that button I can say goodbye to eating my meal in comfort, or watching anything on my laptop. I can't put anything in my in seat pocket or (usually) under the seat in front as it is!

Thankfully F/A's tend to notice this (at least on qf :D!) and get the person in front to sit up straight during the meal service. It's a pain being an NB because I can't pick the good seats with extra legroom!

Do any other tall regular Y travellers find themselves carefully positioning their knees to prevent pax reclining?
 
Last thing you really want is to hit turbulence whilst relieving ones self for it to go all down your pants and not in the bowl. Hasn't happened to me, but I have seen it happen.

Hi there

Should I ask how you saw this happen, or is this a question that should be posted on another, more relevent forum. :shock:

Apart from the screaming kids, my pet dislike is :

"We will be boarding by row number.....blah, blah, so I wait for my section too be called, only to find that 200 mothers with young kids (who are nowhere to be seen), or many other pax who needed assisted boarding already on the aircraft, and struggling to put their over the limit carry on in the over head. :mad:

Last monday I flew Air Asia KUL-MEL in Y and put my cabin bag plus 2 duty free bags under the seat in front, and still had plenty of leg room. (I'm 183cm)

Cheers
DJ737
 
I get absolutely hacked off with FIFO Parasites who sit at the bar getting slowly pissed, then can't be bothered boarding with everyone else constantly causing delays. The worst thing is this is for 0805 departures, the Shire of Roebourne need to held accountable as well as they run the bar at the AP.

We don't have that problem at ZNE. Drinking is banned within the ZNE Airport grounds, and people who think they will check in then duck off to the Cappy for a few quiet ones are in for a shock. I think this is even covered during inductions now.

Why do people need to be drinking at that hour of the day? Yeah, people might have just come off night shift but personally I couldn't think of anything worse.

Me thinks the ground staff at KTA just need to shut the doors of the terminal when everyone else is on the plane and leave the drunken bums behind.

I like your avatar BTW ;)
 
I really dread being placed in the middle seat between two passengers. Somehow I always end up squished up. I am not an intimidating person so I think this contributes to the problem.

Another thing that drives me mad is people using the bathroom with no shoes on.

On the reclining the seat issue.. I agree with those who dislike the seat going back during a meal etc. But I can't stand it when the person behind me gets upset when I recline my seat well after a meal. I have had this happen numerous times, even to the point where the person behind me starts kicking on the seat. The person in front of me has their seat reclined, and I recline mine and the individual behind me gets upset!
 
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Ohh you mean me. I do that because i have a mobility problem that means it takes me 10+ minutes to walk up the rear steps. Try seeing how much you hate me when you stuck behind me on the steps.
Touche! I'm pretty sure they announce this prior to boarding.
 
Hi there

Should I ask how you saw this happen, or is this a question that should be posted on another, more relevent forum. :shock:


Indirectly saw it happen. There was some sort of liquid on his pants. We hit turbulence just before the guy came out of the loo, he had an embarrassed look on his face, and there was a pretty bad smell which was none too pleasant.
 
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3. People behind me, I am not a bobble-head toy. My head isn't made to spring backward and forward, which is does when you use the seat as a level to get your lazy a$# out of your seat and then let go.

You should try having long hair. I have had bald patches after some horror flights :(
 
Why do people need to be drinking at that hour of the day? Yeah, people might have just come off night shift but personally I couldn't think of anything worse.


Actually as someone who did shiftwork a million years ago (well it feels like it:D) I used to enjoy a drink at the end of a hard nights work. After all it was my night time and I was winding down for bed and sleep before starting again when decent people were going home.
 
Actually as someone who did shiftwork a million years ago (well it feels like it:D) I used to enjoy a drink at the end of a hard nights work. After all it was my night time and I was winding down for bed and sleep before starting again when decent people were going home.
+1

You have a valid reason then. If I saw you on the steps I would probably offer to help you. It's the dumbarse fools who don't take any notice that piss me off.
Another reason I just go to the front. It is rather embarrassing being offered help, when the thing that would really help is to bodily drag me up the stairs. I basically go stiff when stepping up each step, so my leg won't bend again quickly to take the next step. But I walk relatively normal on the flat - so I look like a dumbarse. With my recent DJ flights I find the best thing is to push to the front of the boarding line and then I don't have many others to push past to get to row 17. :D

I think I have been stuck behind you on the steps:shock:
Only if I was jamming myself into the left hand side of the steps trying to make enough room for you to get past. Another kind of embarassment having to wave people past. Surprising how polite people can be it that situation, and how bad I feel for holding them up.

4. If you can't aim correctly, sit down. Enough said.
Isn't that what the gap at the front of the seat is for. I always bias my aim towards that gap, in case I'm going to miss.
 
Actually as someone who did shiftwork a million years ago (well it feels like it:D) I used to enjoy a drink at the end of a hard nights work. After all it was my night time and I was winding down for bed and sleep before starting again when decent people were going home.

Kind of getting OT now but I work shiftwork, and have done for the last 8 or so years. When I get home after night shift I eat what I would normally eat for breakfast on day shift or days off - yoghurt, toast, etc. I cannot eat after night shift what I would normally eat for tea. Even back in the days when I was working 13 nights in a row, I would eat my normal breakfast after night shift.

I think KTA is an international airport so that's probably why there's a bar. From ZNE we can fly to Perth only. The local constabulary are quite often at ZNE airport and have no hesitation in putting an end to the travel plans of anyone who may have indulged in a few too many refreshing beverages.
 
My top peeves:

  1. Fidgets: Sorry, two straight hours of you sitting behind me clicking a pen - be grateful that I'm only turning my head around and giving you a dressing down and not dropping hot coffee on your delicates.
  2. Badly behaved kids (my strategy for dealing with them is a few para's down): If you're flying with kids, come prepared. Have a bottle, a blankey, cherished toy and some activities which aren't going to make a mess and crowd everyone's space.

    And FFS make sure the little ones are as tired as hell when they get on so they use the plane as naptime. I don't care if it stuffs up their body clocks, that's your problem after we land.
  3. Excessive drinkers: Sorry, you should not even think about consuming 7 of those mini-bottles of wine on a 4hr flight - that's what we call a drunk.
  4. Bad bathroom users: Someone already said it, sit down if you're not sure everything (and I mean everything - pubic hair included) is going to make it into the cistern. I've already mentioned my recent complaint about cleaning on the new QF Domestic A330's in the QF grumbles thread.
  5. DIKWIA's. Enough said.
Have experienced 3 recent Body Odour issues that have me questioning the hygiene of the average traveller.<snip>
There is no excuse for bad B.O. on planes, full stop. Seriously, how hard is it to carry a small roll-on, or swing by BigW or Newslink and pick up a travel sized aerosol deodorant.

I know if I've got a few flights scheduled, I do my fellow pax the favour of carrying a change of clothes and make good use of the QP showers at least once.

My pet hates, in no particular order and there are quite a few, are:

1. People with iPods who think everyone else in the cabin enjoys their choice of noise.
This applies to all modes of transportation. So many times I've resisted the temptation to pull out a pair of scissors and cut the headphone wires just to make a point (and provide something to hang them with)

4. The people who stand almost on top of the luggage carousel, thereby blocking everyone else from getting their bag off.
Agreed, another of my personal pet peeves. I make a point of standing halfway up the carousel at least a meter back from the belt. Anyone who tries to cut in front of me is given a stare that'll turn most of them into stone. Try it a second time, and there's usually a comment to a travelling companion along the lines of "geez, pushing in front of someone isn't going to make the bags come any faster."

We were on a MEL-PER flight a couple of years ago. A woman and a child boarded and the child headed straight to a window seat. His mother grabbed him and put him in the seat they were allocated which was in the middle row. Well, the child screamed and screamed for at least 20 minutes...
Been there, done that :)

I will tolerate this for a while, but I will get to the point of actually saying something - to the kid which will embarrass the parents to no end and have fellow pax giggling like school girls.

Suggestion: "Hi there (big smile on face). Listen, I know your a little boy/girl, and I feel really sorry for you because your mummy/daddy didn't bring you up right and teach you important skills like discipline and self control. You'll be off the flight soon, and I'm sure we can arrange for child services to pick you up at the other end and have you placed with someone who actually cares about you as a person and wants you to grow up into a nice, kind and respectful person."

The kids parents will want to kill you after that, but at least they'll be embarrassed enough to put a stop to the little brat's behaviour.
My boss who I spent most of last week with, was telling me a story of when he lived in Nth W China in 1997-99 and an internal Chinese flight - his comment was "you didn't want to touch anything on the aircraft, very ordinary, but the worst part was not long after take off, 2 Chinese gents proceeded to remove a canine carcass from the bottom of a carry on box and proceed to carve it up in the isle..."
And you just took the award for grossest thing ever, at least from what's been posted on this thread.

My big one is people who are in economy and turn around in their seat to talk to people in the row behind (yes i'm talking to you mr seat 17B on QF608 12Jan). nothing is more annoying when QF actually give you a good breakfast and some noob turn around and shoves their rear in my face.
Like people who play their personal music devices out their headphones at 11, this is another offence worthy of hanging.

Talk to the person next to you, across the aisle is fine. Turn your head around slightly if you must talk to the person behind you - but keep that backside square and firm in your seat lest I see plumbers crack and drop something rather uncomfortable down there.

I get absolutely hacked off with FIFO Parasites who sit at the bar getting slowly pissed, then can't be bothered boarding with everyone else constantly causing delays.

Said everything I have to say on the HiViz Brigade so many times now its not funny. Can't stand the worst of them who make life hell for the rest of us.

And why, why, why do people have to recline their seat on a SYD-MEL flight? Especially on JQ where the seat pitch is abysmal.:evil:

Agreed, shoot them I say - or get a water bottle shoved into the side of the seat to stop them beforehand.
 
My top peeves:
There is no excuse for bad B.O. on planes, full stop. Seriously, how hard is it to carry a small roll-on, or swing by BigW or Newslink and pick up a travel sized aerosol deodorant.

I'll add another one in there

- When the deodorant co's decide to be nice and give you an extra 10% on their 100ml products making them all 110ml's... :evil:

I found it really hard trying to find deodorant last month which would not upset security at international terminals.
 
Can't believe the amount of whining about young children. I can't think of a flight longer than 3 hours where I didn't hear one crying. Not much you can do and unless they're right beside, behind or in front of you the background noise tends to drown out most of the crying.

To me these people need the cup of cement.
 
There is no excuse for bad B.O. on planes, full stop. Seriously, how hard is it to carry a small roll-on, or swing by BigW or Newslink and pick up a travel sized aerosol deodorant.

I know if I've got a few flights scheduled, I do my fellow pax the favour of carrying a change of clothes and make good use of the QP showers at least once.
So last thursday when I left work at 5:45 pm, made my way to SYD using the hot public transport and got to T2 for my 1900 DJ flight, exactly when and where was i supposed to have a shower

I will tolerate this for a while, but I will get to the point of actually saying something - to the kid which will embarrass the parents to no end and have fellow pax giggling like school girls.

Suggestion: "Hi there (big smile on face). Listen, I know your a little boy/girl, and I feel really sorry for you because your mummy/daddy didn't bring you up right and teach you important skills like discipline and self control. You'll be off the flight soon, and I'm sure we can arrange for child services to pick you up at the other end and have you placed with someone who actually cares about you as a person and wants you to grow up into a nice, kind and respectful person."

The kids parents will want to kill you after that, but at least they'll be embarrassed enough to put a stop to the little brat's behaviour.
Can't wait for you to have kids. ;) Youth is so arrogant thinking they have the answers before you actually experience life. :D (yes we've all done this)

Said everything I have to say on the HiViz Brigade so many times now its not funny. Can't stand the worst of them who make life hell for the rest of us.
I was actually pretty put off by that rant about the hiviz brigade. Parasites - really. Shame that without the hi-viz brigade's employers buying all those expensive flexible fares, there would probably be 1 flight a week out of KTA that would cost $1000 each way. but we don't want to bring the facts into this do we.


Agreed, shoot them I say - or get a water bottle shoved into the side of the seat to stop them beforehand.
bottle of water is a good idea. I just put my hand up and stop the seat going back. but you gotta be quick if using this method.
 
They're kids. They whine and throw tantrums. It's what they do. I'm sure you did it, get over it.

Yep, and I can distinctly remember being told if I didn't stop it I'd get something to cry/whine/scream about.

I can, for a short time, tolerate a baby who is crying because of ear pain. I cannot stand kids who scream because they aren't getting their own way.
 
Yep, and I can distinctly remember being told if I didn't stop it I'd get something to cry/whine/scream about.

I can, for a short time, tolerate a baby who is crying because of ear pain. I cannot stand kids who scream because they aren't getting their own way.
And you know that there is no need to resort to those threats to keep children under control based on my experiences with my kids. Either they are very good or my wife is an excellent mother who has trained them well. needless to say all of them look at me strange if I pull out lines from my childhood like "i'll give you something to cry about".

So i also have low tolerance for child that don't behave as my children do. I also firmly believe it is about the parental example because i have seen my wife work wonders.
 
Yep, and I can distinctly remember being told if I didn't stop it I'd get something to cry/whine/scream about.

I can, for a short time, tolerate a baby who is crying because of ear pain. I cannot stand kids who scream because they aren't getting their own way.

I'm more annoyed by parents who do nothing whilst their child goes into a tantrum.
 
Yep, and I can distinctly remember being told if I didn't stop it I'd get something to cry/whine/scream about.

Yeah, me too. And you know what? It made me even more unhappy and made me cry harder. Every time. And part of that unhappiness was because no, I didn't think it was an idle threat: my father would follow through.
 
If you KNOW that you are a snorer (and you actually tell me that you are, while we are having a brief chat with our 1am dinner) then please do not, for heaven's sake, LIE FLAT ON YOUR BACK (business class HK to PER) for the rest of the flight, snoring and roaring for the next 6 hours. I had used my points to upgrade to get back home after 2 weeks working in China, desperately tired and wanting to feel as refreshed as possible on arrival. THAT did not happen! :(
 
If you KNOW that you are a snorer (and you actually tell me that you are, while we are having a brief chat with our 1am dinner) then please do not, for heaven's sake, LIE FLAT ON YOUR BACK (business class HK to PER) for the rest of the flight, snoring and roaring for the next 6 hours. I had used my points to upgrade to get back home after 2 weeks working in China, desperately tired and wanting to feel as refreshed as possible on arrival. THAT did not happen! :(

Have you considered a combination of ear plugs and noise cancelling headphones? Does a fair job.

I don't like snorers more than the next person, however they are around and short of suffocating them, you can't do much about it.
 
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