The Pinot Noir & Grenache Thread

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Hey guys, I made the mistake of introducing my partner to Burgundy red at a restaurant last night, and now he wants MORE.
I don’t normally like to spend more than $50 on wine but I recognize that’s not enough for good burgundy. Can anyone recommend good value for money options or other tips, eg pinot from other regions?
 

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Hey guys, I made the mistake of introducing my partner to Burgundy red at a restaurant last night, and now he wants MORE.
I don’t normally like to spend more than $50 on wine but I recognize that’s not enough for good burgundy. Can anyone recommend good value for money options or other tips, eg pinot from other regions?
New Zealand Central Otago, Morning Peninsular and Tasmania are good sources of excellent Pinot. $50 will buy you a nice one.
 

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New Zealand Central Otago, Morning Peninsular and Tasmania are good sources of excellent Pinot. $50 will buy you a nice one.
Thanks, I get a lot of pinots from there - but the hubby wants more burgundy ones, so I’m looking for tips on good value for money options, knowing they will cost more than $50. By "other regions" I meant other French regions producing a similar style (eg Alsace).
 

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Thanks, I get a lot of pinots from there - but the hubby wants more burgundy ones, so I’m looking for tips on good value for money options, knowing they will cost more than $50. By "other regions" I meant other French regions producing a similar style (eg Alsace).

Unfortunately, no easy answer. Work is required to find value. General tips:
- Cote de Beaune better value generally that Cote de nuits (Pommard and Volnay are traditionally good examples of the ends of the spectrum).
- Cote Chalonaisse and Maconnais are cheaper than the above but more known for whites
- Cru Beajoulais is your friend!
 

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Thanks, I get a lot of pinots from there - but the hubby wants more burgundy ones, so I’m looking for tips on good value for money options, knowing they will cost more than $50. By "other regions" I meant other French regions producing a similar style (eg Alsace).
Ok. IMHO, I don’t think there’s any good French Burgundys under around $100. Buy one or two, Bouchard Père & Fils, or maybe Jean Grivot, or some Nuits St George to try. Available in Australia but one has to pay a bit through the nose for them then let them mature for some years. Essentially I’ve given up on French Pinot in Australia, fine when you are in France or Europe, but the ones from previous post and more approachable younger and better value. YMMV!
 

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Thanks, I get a lot of pinots from there - but the hubby wants more burgundy ones, so I’m looking for tips on good value for money options, knowing they will cost more than $50. By "other regions" I meant other French regions producing a similar style (eg Alsace).

I buy a case a year from Domaine Hubert Lamy out of St Aubin. St Aubin is more known for white Burgundy but the reds are excellent value. See if you can track down some producers from that area, it represents some of the beat quality to price.
 

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glad to hear, somewhat surprised that everyone here didn't buy all the HD/Clos before the TWC email went out on Wednesday and there was still stock - the best time for both of you should be in more than a few years :)
Grape Belief clearance sale ends tonight - free delivery with $240+ spend - includes:
  • 2019 Chatto Tasmania Pinot Noir $36.50 - GW95
  • 2019 Garagiste Merricks Pinot Noir $35 - CM(WF)95
  • 2019 Place of Changing Winds Clos de la Connerie Pinot Noir $72 - CM(WF)/MB95
  • 2019 Tonic Wines Grenache $25.50 - GW95
  • 2016 JC’s Own Originale Grenache $27.50 - MB94+
  • 2018 Spinifex La Maline Shiraz $50 - CM(WF)96
  • 2018 Frankland Estate Alter Weg Riesling $24.50 - MB96
  • 2018 Cobaw Ridge Chardonnay $46 - MB96
 

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$130.19 @ Dan's after 4% Cashrewards, 5% off WISH - shame that I didn't know earlier when 10% Cashrewards to save another $7.77 - 30 bottles available, possibly price beat Wine Emporium

$120 @ Grape Belief - 6 bottles :)

True, but hopefully the highest-ever rated Beaujolais on Winefront, and equal-highest gamay with Sorrenberg's 2017, might come close:

$53.10 @ Different Drop using TUES10 for 10% off - ends next Tuesday

Dan's clearance continues with new wines reduced, the highlight being Lethbridge 2017 for $33.20 - however at Parkdale, besides champagne, before discounts:
  • Lethbridge 2017 - MB/SC(HWC)95, CM(WF)94, NS93 - $19
  • Gembrook Hill 2017 - CM(WF)96, JH95 - $28
To maintain clearance prices, don't buy store stock (in-store/click+collect), as when that's gone, so is the clearance price - instead, deliver to Parcel Collect at the store's nearest post office (Parkdale LPO here)

In case anyone's interested, my favourite/biggest/best buys of the 2017 vintage have been Bay of Fires, Felton Road Bannockburn, Hoddles Creek, Lethbridge
2017 Gembrook Hill Estate Pinot Noir - CM(WF)96, HH/JH95, NS93:
 

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In terms of value and quality, two names that spring straight to mind are Yangarra and Head - 2018 Head Old Vine Grenache is probably my current favourite

Yangarra Estate Old Vine Grenache 2019 - CM(WF)/AG/AH/SL95 - $28 @ Cloudwine, $29.95 delivered @ myCellars (pm for free delivery code)
 

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Thanks, I get a lot of pinots from there - but the hubby wants more burgundy ones, so I’m looking for tips on good value for money options, knowing they will cost more than $50. By "other regions" I meant other French regions producing a similar style (eg Alsace).
Unfortunately, no easy answer. Work is required to find value. General tips:
- Cote de Beaune better value generally that Cote de nuits (Pommard and Volnay are traditionally good examples of the ends of the spectrum).
- Cote Chalonaisse and Maconnais are cheaper than the above but more known for whites
- Cru Beajoulais is your friend!

@Doctore1003 did you buy any of the Piron Beaujolais Morgon the other month?

Archive: Jean-Marc Burgaud Online Beaujolais Tasting @ 6.30-8pm AEDT Wednesday 18th November - bookings due next Monday
6 x 50ml samples - $50 delivered (including interstate):

  • 2019 Beaujolais Villages Vignes de Lantignie
  • 2018 Regnie Les Vallieres
  • 2017 Morgon Les Charmes
  • 2016 Morgon Cote du Py
  • 2016 Morgon Cote du Py Javernieres
  • 2014 Morgon Cote du Py Javernieres
 

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2018 By Farr RP or Tout Pres Pinot Noir $101.94 delivered @ The Wine Collective after 8.8% Cashrewards and $20 voucher - free delivery ends midnight AEDT - also available is 2019 Felton Road Bannockburn Pinot Noir $69.99 before cashback/discount

Summer Hill have Felton Road magnums available, including 3 of 2019 Block 3 for $300/$350

The Changing Face of Grenache Virtual Wine Tasting @ 6-7pm AEST next Wednesday 18th November - order before this Friday
6 x 50ml 59.00 or 6 x 100ml $79.00 + $20 delivery:
  • Thistledown 2020 ‘Gorgeous’ Grenache Rosé Riverland, SA
  • Thistledown 2018 ‘Thorny Devil’ Grenache, Barossa Valley, SA – Single Vineyard
  • Thistledown 2019 ‘She’s Electric’ Grenache, Seaview, McLaren Vale - Single Vineyard
  • Thistledown 2019 ‘Sands of Time’ Grenache, Blewitt Springs, McLaren Vale. SA – Single Vineyard
  • Thistledown 2019 ‘This Charming Man’ Grenache, Clarendon, McLaren Vale, SA – Single Vineyard
  • Thistledown 2019 Advance Release ‘Mattschoss’ Grenache Eden Valley, SA – Single Vineyard
ADL: Grenache Fest @ The Market Shed on Holland - 4.30-6.30pm / 8-10pm this Saturday - $38.01 for 6 mini-masterclasses

  • 2019 Giant Steps Applejack Vineyard Yarra Valley
  • 2019 Moores Hill Tasmania
  • 2018 Bream Creek Tasmania
  • 2018 Domaine A Stoney Vineyard Tasmania
  • 2019 Ghost Rock Supernatural Tasmania
  • 2019 Ghost Rock Estate Tasmania
  • 2018 Frogmore Creek Tasmania
  • 2020 Frogmore Creek 42 Degrees South Tasmania
  • 2017 Pipers Brook Tasmania
  • 2018 Kooyong Estate Mornington Peninsula
  • 2018 Palliser Estate Martinborough New Zealand
  • 2018 Craggy Range Martinborough New Zealand
  • 2017 Craggy Range Te Muna Road Vineyard
  • 2018 Maude Central Otago New Zealand
 

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Coldstream Hills Reserve Pinot Noir 2012 - JO/CM(WF)96 - $61.67 delivered in 6pk @ CellarDoor.co after $20 welcome voucher - 14 left

Stonier: 2019 (CM(WF)/HH92) $16.50, 2019 Reserve (JH97, CM(WF)/HH95) $40.58 @ Cellar One delivered in 6pks after $20 referral

Bought half dozen Sam Neil Two Paddocks and half dozen of Duncan’s Mount Edward Pinot.

The Mount Edward just blows away the Two Paddocks, surprisingly. Two Paddocks is one of my favourite CO pinots but the recent one is on the light side. Hopefully will improve over time..

Mount Edward is just lovely drinking now, will be impressive in a year or two.

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I had the Mount Edward on the weekend - incredible wine
Mount Edward Pinot Noir 2017 - NS96, MB95 - $49.50 @ Wine Experience, $49.99 @ wine.com.au

JR17.5:
  • Place of Changing Winds, High Density Pinot Noir 2019 Macedon Ranges
JR17+:
  • Curly Flat, Western Pinot Noir 2018 Macedon Ranges
JR17:
  • Place of Changing Winds, Clos de la Connerie Pinot Noir 2019 Macedon Ranges (Red Wax, Late Bottling)
  • Curly Flat Pinot Noir 2018 Macedon Ranges
  • Curly Flat Pinot Noir 2017 Macedon Ranges
  • Curly Flat Chardonnay 2018 Macedon Ranges
JR16.5:
  • Place of Changing Winds, Between Two Mountains Pinot Noir 2019 Macedon Ranges
  • Curly Flat Chardonnay 2017 Macedon Ranges

In terms of value and quality, two names that spring straight to mind are Yangarra and Head - 2018 Head Old Vine Grenache is probably my current favourite

Head Old Vine Grenache 2019 - GW94, HH91 - $32 @ Summer Hill / WineSquare in 6pk - 2020 James Halliday Grenache Challenge Winner
also $33.95 delivered @ myCellars (pm for free delivery code) - price match @ Cloudwine / Different Drop

JR17.5:
  • S C Pannell, Old McDonald Grenache 2017 McLaren Vale
  • Thistledown, This Charming Man Single Vineyard Grenache 2018 McLaren Vale
JR17:
  • Thistledown, Sands of Time Old Vine Single Vineyard Grenache 2018 McLaren Vale
  • Yangarra, High Sands Grenache 2017 McLaren Vale
  • Ministry of Clouds Grenache 2018 McLaren Vale
JR16.5:
  • Bondar, Rayner Vineyard Grenache 2019 McLaren Vale
  • Thistledown, She's Electric, Old Vine Single Vineyard Grenache 2019 McLaren Vale
  • Willunga 100, The Hundred Clarendon Grenache 2017 McLaren Vale
JR16+:
  • Willunga 100, The Hundred Blewitt Springs Grenache 2018 McLaren Vale
  • Aphelion, The Confluence Grenache 2018 McLaren Vale
JR16:
  • Wirra Wirra, The Absconder Grenache 2018 McLaren Vale
JR16-:
  • Bekkers Grenache 2017 McLaren Vale
 
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Yangarra Estate Old Vine Grenache 2019 - CM(WF)/AG/AH/SL95 - $28 @ Cloudwine, $29.95 delivered @ myCellars (pm for free delivery code)
3 of each for $203 delivered ($33.83/bt) @ Waters Wine
 

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Shame it's Melbourne only, otherwise, I would have jumped right in.

Might try and see if I can arrange my own delivery!

Actually looks light it might not be Melbourne only, just have to pay for shipping... was confused by the description, oops!
 
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