The art of charging customers thrice for NOT flying

Although I guess there is a lesson here which someone might find useful in the future…

Only if they have the patience.

The. Patience to read through many individual sentence paragraphs.

Which is where the detail is.

And that detail that many don’t understand yet aligns the experience with valuable lessons that can be learnt

😉😜

So sorry. I hope the OP doesn’t take offence but one of the nice things about AFF is you get real posts and responses written by real people (and relativelyfree of algorithm driven opinions). Hope it can stay that way.
 
Singapore Airlines: The Art of Charging Customers for NOT Flying

A masterclass in corporate policy, commercial opportunism and why common sense apparently costs $667.

Singapore Airlines has built a global reputation for exceptional service, premium travel and customer care.

Unfortunately, my recent experience suggests that somewhere between the champagne, hot towels and beautifully presented meals, someone may have misplaced the concept of fairness.

Allow me to explain.

My family of four booked return flights from Perth to Singapore for our October holiday.

Unfortunately, a sporting commitment meant my husband and son needed to travel one day later than originally planned.

My daughter and I weren’t changing anything. Same flights, same dates, same destination.

We simply needed to make alternative outbound arrangements for the boys while retaining their already paid for return flights.

A relatively straightforward situation, one might think.

Apparently not.

We purchased two new one way tickets through Scoot, Singapore Airlines’ own subsidiary.

We weren’t asking Singapore Airlines for a refund on the original outbound flights. We accepted that we had paid for those seats and wouldn’t be using them.

But when we contacted Singapore Airlines to advise that the boys would no longer be taking their original outbound flights, we discovered that simply not boarding an aircraft could have some rather extraordinary financial consequences.

We were advised that if they failed to take their original outbound flights, their return flights could be cancelled.

Yes. The return flights we had already paid for.

The solution?

Pay another AUD $667.

At this point, I think it’s worth putting the corporate policy manual aside and applying a little basic commercial logic.

Let’s follow the money. Because this is where it gets interesting.

Transaction 1: Singapore Airlines receives the original fares.

My husband and son purchase return flights from Perth to Singapore.

Singapore Airlines receives payment for both outbound and return journeys.

Transaction 2: Singapore Airlines Group receives another two fares.

We purchase two replacement outbound flights through Scoot, Singapore Airlines’ own subsidiary.

More revenue for the airline group.

Transaction 3: Singapore Airlines retains the original outbound fares AND has the opportunity to resell those seats.

We aren’t asking for our money back.

We aren’t asking for compensation.

We are advising the airline that two passengers will not be occupying seats they have already paid for.

Singapore Airlines retains the original payment and has the opportunity to sell those seats again, potentially generating additional revenue from the very same seats.

Transaction 4: And then comes the $667.

Despite all of the above, Singapore Airlines demands another $667 simply to preserve the return flights we have already purchased.

Let’s think about that for a moment.

The airline has already been paid for the original seats. Its subsidiary has been paid for the replacement flights. The original seats can potentially be sold again.

And the customer who has generated all this additional revenue is then charged another $667 for the privilege of NOT occupying seats they have already paid for, or risk losing their return flights, which they have also already paid for.

In other words, Singapore Airlines wants to charge us for NOT flying, having already charged us for flying TWICE, while reserving the right to sell the very seats we won’t be occupying to someone else.

You really couldn’t make it up.

But what about the corporate values?

Singapore Airlines proudly lists Integrity and Customer Focus among its core values.

Its own definition of integrity? “We go out of our way to do the right thing.”

Customer Focus? “We understand our guests so we can truly delight them.”

Every time, apparently.

I appreciate that airlines have fare rules and automated booking systems. But a policy can be correctly applied and still produce a fundamentally unfair outcome.

Integrity is what happens when a company has the contractual power to do something, but stops to consider whether it should.

In this case, Singapore Airlines has received the original fares, its subsidiary has received the replacement fares, and the airline has the opportunity to resell the original seats.

Yet it still wants another $667.

Perhaps someone at Singapore Airlines could explain how this outcome reflects its stated commitment to integrity, customer focus and doing the right thing.

Because from where I’m sitting, the only thing being truly delighted here is the airline’s revenue department.

If exceptional service ends the moment a customer needs common sense, what exactly are we paying the premium for?
Oooooh boy, where do I start with this one?

Firstly, as others have rightly pointed out, you can’t just not take the outbound flight and expect the inbound flight to be maintained. It doesn’t work like that.

Secondly, international tickets aren’t like domestic tickets. A return international ticket Isn’t equivalent to two one-way fares. If you buy two one-way international tickets, you’ll end up paying a lot more than purchasing a return ticket.

By purchasing a Scoot ticket and changing your return ticket to a one-way inbound ticket, not only are you paying for the new ticket, but you also need to pay a reissue fee and any relevant fare and taxes between your original return ticket and your new, likely more expensive, one-way ticket.

You should have just contacted the airline and had them reissue the tickets to depart the next day, pay the relevant reissue fees, and maintain the inbound flights. Instead, you made an incorrect decision.

Put simply, this is not the airline’s fault. This is your fault because you don’t know what you’re doing. All airlines operate the same way, so I hardly think you naming and shaming the airline is appropriate.

You’re probably also the sort of person that would book a non changeable ticket because it’s cheaper and then complains when they want to change it and aren’t allowed to.
 
I think it’s a shame this thread has turned into a group attack on the OP.

Personally I can’t see the reference to AI in the OP but people seem to have divined that that was used but if it was, so what? People come here for assistance and sometimes to vent. It used to be said there’s no such thing as a dumb question on AFF as we know we’re all guilty of doing silly things at some stage.

I think you’re not prepared to help or give constructive advice, as opposed to giving a lecture or talking down to the OP, or even if you think it was an AI bot or whatever people think it was, best to remain silent.
 
I think it’s a shame this thread has turned into a group attack on the OP.

Personally I can’t see the reference to AI in the OP but people seem to have divined that that was used but if it was, so what? People come here for assistance and sometimes to vent. It used to be said there’s no such thing as a dumb question on AFF as we know we’re all guilty of doing silly things at some stage.

I think you’re not prepared to help or give constructive advice, as opposed to giving a lecture or talking down to the OP, or even if you think it was an AI bot or whatever people think it was, best to remain silent.
I didn’t criticise the OP for using AI. I criticised her for completely valid reasons though. She made bad choices and rather than own it, she tries to blame the airline. By the way, this has also been posted on reddit and she’s copping far more criticism over there.
 
I didn’t criticise the OP for using AI. I criticised her for completely valid reasons though. She made bad choices and rather than own it, she tries to blame the airline. By the way, this has also been posted on reddit and she’s copping far more criticism over there.

Fine, but with respect you essentially repeated what had been posted multiple times above your post. And what happens at Reddit is irrelevant.

@Frangi4 appears to me to be an inexperienced flyer who is frustrated through having made a mistake. A bit of sympathy perhaps would not go astray..

Going back to AI, I don’t use it except when search engines contain it but I see people posting about it and using it, and quoting its output all over AFF these days. Seems we need guidelines on what’s okay with respect to AI and what’s not. In the meantime, those don’t like it might just pass it by.
 
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Personally I can’t see the reference to AI in the OP but people seem to have divined that that was used but if it was, so what? People come here for assistance and sometimes to vent. It used to be said there’s no such thing as a dumb question on AFF as we know we’re all guilty of doing silly things at some stage.

You can tell that it has either been written by AI, or if not definitely written in the style AI uses. It's a valid complaint, this style can be off-putting and and result in "getting peoples backs up". If you are exposed to these often (eg on LinkedIn) it can also come across as lacking authenticity. But maybe its just us older fuddy duddies who like multiple sentence paragraphs, as I find it difficult to read 45+ paragraphs each consisting of one short sentence. (and TBH I gave up after the first 10 lines).

I get it people may struggle with structuring arguments, or lack confidence in their English language skills, but even if the grammar is not perfect, it does seem more authentic and people take a more constructive approach to their responses.

IMHO, piling on because of AI use = perhaps warranted. Piling on because "should have known better" is not - I am sure many of us went through a learning experience before we realised that forgoing an outbound sector can forfeit the whole ticket - it is not something that people inherently just know.

Lessons for OP - yes this can happen on most airlines, not an SQ specific problem and always have the airline or travel agent (if booked through one) as the first port of call when initiating changes
 
So sorry. I hope the OP doesn’t take offence but one of the nice things about AFF is you get real posts and responses written by real people (and relativelyfree of algorithm driven opinions). Hope it can stay that way.
And if that's not acceptable, maybe go and live out the rest of their life over on FT. 🤭
 
Fine, but with respect you essentially repeated what had been posted multiple times above your post. And what happens at Reddit is irrelevant.

@Frangi4 appears to me to be an inexperienced flyer who is frustrated through having made a mistake. A bit of sympathy perhaps would not go astray.
So I’m not allowed to respond because others have said similar regarding not taking the outbound flight and expecting to just use the inbound? Is that what you’re saying, because I did add more than that.

Perhaps sympathy would be warranted if this user didn’t just create an account for the sole purpose of bagging out an airline, especially when the majority of other airlines have the exact same policies. And despite you claiming it’s irrelevant, she did the same at reddit (created an account just to lay into the airline).

The fact that she’s created these accounts, posted this long rant when she’s the one in the wrong, and then not interacted with the post again (neither here nor on reddit), it seems there’s something completely disingenuous about the whole story, if I’m being completely honest.
 
So I’m not allowed to respond because others have said similar regarding not taking the outbound flight and expecting to just use the inbound? Is that what you’re saying, because I did add more than that.

Perhaps sympathy would be warranted if this user didn’t just create an account for the sole purpose of bagging out an airline, especially when the majority of other airlines have the exact same policies. And despite you claiming it’s irrelevant, she did the same at reddit (created an account just to lay into the airline).

The fact that she’s created these accounts, posted this long rant when she’s the one in the wrong, and then not interacted with the post again (neither here nor on reddit), it seems there’s something completely disingenuous about the whole story, if I’m being completely honest.
Well yes. There is that as well I guess. Some people do that . 🤔

Do I hear FT calling?
 
The fact that she’s created these accounts, posted this long rant when she’s the one in the wrong, and then not interacted with the post again (neither here nor on reddit), it seems there’s something completely disingenuous about the whole story, if I’m being completely honest.
Maybe not her first rodeo, either,
 
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So I’m not allowed to respond because others have said similar regarding not taking the outbound flight and expecting to just use the inbound? Is that what you’re saying, because I did add more than that.

Sorry, I forgot my customary "Welcome to AFF" when I see a newbie post, and the same allowance for newbies that I called for in the OP.

here (and word for word).

Word for word on Reddit - that's priceless!
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General comment: This forum exists through clicks and paid support. I wouldn't blame the OP for not returning after the tone of many posts here, and if so, I think that's a shame.
 
I think some of the tone of the response comes down to the tendency of some people turn to AI for validation, get it (because that's what it's for), and then demand that everyone else engage in good faith with their AI slop even though it wasn't produced in good faith.

The fact that it's a whinge is one thing. If you banned whinging, there'd be a lot less posted here! But there's no question in the OP for us to answer, there's not even enough actual information (as opposed to pompous waffle) to be an object lesson to others. It's just pointless slop, posted most likely for more validation.
 
OP's account must be pretty compelling for you to create a new account here so you can comment on their post here (and word for word, or copying and pasting the same comment).
I actually commented on here first, before someone else advised that it was posted on reddit. I then responded on reddit (with my existing account). Feel free to check the timestamps if you don’t believe me (I honestly don’t care if you don’t).
 

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