Singapore to beef up Australia flights

[smit0847]

British Airways is the only one I can think of?

Virgin Atlantic as well.

I am struggling to answer that question.

I'm fairly certain they're the only 2.

 

[mannej]

Wow ok, I just took at quick look at the list of Intl depertures from SYD, and yeah only BA and Virgin Atlantic..otherwise all Asian, Middle Eastern or American airlines.

There are a lot of codeshares with the European airlines.

AF, AZ codesharing with QF, LH with all of the star carriers going into Oz.

 

[smit0847]

Alitalia - not a chance.

LH, I think they codeshare from SIN to Oz. There was a LH bird in Oz within the last year, but that was to ferry around a music group.

what music group? An Andre Reiu type stadium production?

 

[Danger]

Quite right. I get 3 choices a day with SQ on MEL-SIN connecting to dozens of European and Asian destination and only one with QF which only takes me on to LHR or FRA and it costs more too. There is writing on the wall I'm afraid.

+ CX via HKG
+ EY/VA via AUH
+ EK via DXB

All have mulitple flights one stop to more destinations.

Any ideas why QFi is struggling???

To be fair, the flights from Australia are taking you to an airline's hub (eg. SIN, HKG etc.) and in doing so are flying away from Qantas's hub. If you look at it in reverse, CX, EY, EK and SQ provide no flights beyond their respective Australian ports. But Qantas does, because you're flying from an airline's hub, to Qantas's.

As we all no, hub ports provide far more flights than non-hub ports so it's realistic to expect CX, SQ, EK etc. would provide much more flight opportunities than QF once arriving in HKG, SIN, DXB etc. And the same in reverse.

 

[mannej]

what music group? An Andre Reiu type stadium production?

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[maninblack]

To be fair, the flights from Australia are taking you to an airline's hub (eg. SIN, HKG etc.) and in doing so are flying away from Qantas's hub. If you look at it in reverse, CX, EY, EK and SQ provide no flights beyond their respective Australian ports. But Qantas does, because you're flying from an airline's hub, to Qantas's.

As we all no, hub ports provide far more flights than non-hub ports so it's realistic to expect CX, SQ, EK etc. would provide much more flight opportunities than QF once arriving in HKG, SIN, DXB etc. And the same in reverse.

Right. QFi's geographic position (aside from other factors) puts it at a disadvantage against the airlines you mention (and others), so it will struggle to compete into Asia and Europe. Cannot see much that will improve QFi's position.

 

[SeatBackForward]

Right. QFi's geographic position (aside from other factors) puts it at a disadvantage against the airlines you mention (and others), so it will struggle to compete into Asia and Europe. Cannot see much that will improve QFi's position.

Why don't QFi fly into India? why don't they fly to the Middle East? QF aren't competing, they're giving up - and its suiting them that way.

 

[maninblack]

Why ex MEL can
CX run 3 services a day to HKG, QF one
SQ run 3 a day to SIN, QF one
TG run 2 a day to BKK, QF, nil
EY daily to AUH, QF nil
MH 2 a day to KUL, QF nil
EK run 3 a day to wherever it is they go? QF nil

etc etc

They cannot compete or they would.

 

[dajop]

But why also can SQ (and others) make alternate timed flights work, but QF can't? SQ basically turn around their planes in Europe instead of sitting them for 15 hours, like QF does. QF seem to have complete inability to make anything departing anywhere else in the world, other than mid evening work for them (perhaps SCL, JNB, haven't checked their schedules) - whether it is Europe, US or Asia, the people who fly QF just won't fly during the daytime. Yet SQ and other can/do. I guess that again is a limitation of the SYD hub, as you can't have onwards connections for evening arriving flights, but for the other airlines, their onward connections is to get people to the city of choice in AUS.

SQ mention additional A380 to MEL, it will be interesting if that goes to the day time flight to MEL (which is always quite full, as it supports nearly all of SQ's European connections, but struggles with loads back to SIN at midnight) or the midnight from SIN (which supports Asian connections in both directions).

 

[cmon0005]

They cannot compete or they would.

When you cannot compete you need to join a partnership/codeshare to at least get you into the market and give your customers choice of routes.
Gone of the days where "we can change/build whatever we like and they will come".

As much as I love QF and try and fly with them mostly, I am finding it increasingly hard as they don't go where a lot of people (and I) want to go.
I wanted to fly to Dubai in March but couldn't do it with QF, can't fly to Mumbai anymore on QF, instead just 1 badly timed codeshare a day, and so on.

 

[alieninperth]

Why don't QFi fly into India? why don't they fly to the Middle East? QF aren't competing, they're giving up - and its suiting them that way.

Totally agree. QFi ports (excl NZ as I would count them as regional) and to compare to CX and SQ, where they each put theit own metal:
JNB, LAX, DFW, HNL, HKG, SIN, LHR, FRA, BKK, Manila, Shanghai, Jarkarta (semi regional), Santiago, Tokyo (may have missed a few out)

CX has most of the above (no HNL or DFW) but they also have
CDG, AMS, ROME, Delhi, Mumbai, Dubai, Karachi, Riyadh, Bahrain, Vancouver, Anchorage, SFO, Toronto. I have not included the routes in Aisa as they are almost domestic in AU terms.

SQ seems to have all of the above plus:
most of the major EU capital cities, most of the middle east and hell of a lot of the US. again ignoring the 'regional' routes. TBH I couldn't face typing them all out.

I think that it says a lot when the 'I' in QFi is so small.

 

[whatmeworry]

Could AJ could at least not delay the orders of the A380.

 

[xt_20]

To be fair, the flights from Australia are taking you to an airline's hub (eg. SIN, HKG etc.) and in doing so are flying away from Qantas's hub. If you look at it in reverse, CX, EY, EK and SQ provide no flights beyond their respective Australian ports. But Qantas does, because you're flying from an airline's hub, to Qantas's.

Actually, EK fly to various New Zealand ports from SYD.

 

[xt_20]

From PER, QFi are making it more difficult to fly them. Particularly from SIN to PER - my choice of arrival times are 12.40am and 4.40am. SQ has a choice of 6.25am (red-eye), 2.40pm (morning flight), 11.55pm (evening after work flight), and 1.10am (only weekends).

 

[SeatBackForward]

Given that:
1) QF is very strong domestically;
2) Australia is HUGE, what we pass for doemstic is often trans-continental in other parts of the world; and
3) Geographically, the population centres are far away from other major cities in Asia..

Perhaps QF should be reconsidering somewhere like DRW becoming their international gateway? I know its a bit leftfield, but DRW could become a 24hr Airport. One drawback (albeti a major one) is that the majority of the population would probably have to plane hop to go overseas, which they don't have to do now..

Oh wait, there's arleady a thread all about suggestions :http://www.australianfrequentflyer....ent-flyer-program/attn-new-qfi-ceo-40208.html

 

[codash1099]

Could AJ could at least not delay the orders of the A380.

My view exactly. They have no chance of competing if they don't have the A/C and they struggle to compete when putting up old (and less economical) A/c against newer ones.

 

[Alanslegal]

Perhaps QF should be reconsidering somewhere like DRW becoming their international gateway? I know its a bit leftfield, but DRW could become a 24hr Airport. One drawback (albeti a major one) is that the majority of the population would probably have to plane hop to go overseas, which they don't have to do now..

That's never going to happen, which I can only see work in the competitor's favour. Here's a few proposed company slogans:-

SQ's: A great way to fly ... direct to Sydney and Melbourne
TG's: Smooth as silk .... direct to Sydney and Melbourne
CX's: People. Make an airline. Comfortable and Easy directly to Sydney and Melbourne
EK's: Fly Emirates. (avoid Darwin) and Hello Sydney!
VS's: Your Airline's either got it, or it hasn't. We got it alright, just one stop connection to London.

 

[mannej]

Could AJ could at least not delay the orders of the A380.

That is not the entirety of the problem, as the 380 is not to answer to everything.

 

[moa999]

If Darwin was owned by the Emiraties, or the Singapore government, I suspect they would build the facilities and offer great subsidies for Qantas/ Jetstar etc.
Indeed Jetstar has toyed on and off with Darwin.

However,
Darwin Airport is privately owned, by a bunch of Australian super funds who presumably want a commercial return on their original investment and any improvements - particularly as they only have a 50yr lease (with 49yr option)
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How far into Europe could a 787 get from Darwin?

 

[lovestotravel]

Could AJ could at least not delay the orders of the A380.

He wants them for Jetstar