Should under 3YO fly commercial services?

[Blinky]

My opinion very much matters, as much as anyone else's. Funny how it's the ones who are completely intolerant to the needs of other people around themselves who preach tolerance for all things!

Your opinion obviously matters to you, but it will have no impact whatsoever on how people behave (in part because of your aggressive language). The difference with my position is that I know I have the right to bring kids onto planes, and will do so. It's not an opinion, get it?

BTW, that's a really inappropriate use of a smilie.

 

[ashleyn]

My opinion very much matters, as much as anyone else's. Funny how it's the ones who are completely intolerant to the needs of other people around themselves who preach tolerance for all things!


Funny that- I think it's other people commenting on here who should looks at themselves before starting their purely self-obsessed, aggressive comments against other members!

I'm signing off this post now. Berlin, I hope I never cross paths with you on this forum or in real life as I find your opinions and attitudes totally offensive. Goodbye.

 

[Mal]

I don't like babies. I don't like children. I swore years ago that I don't want children... and this has caused all sorts of dramas in life. Anyways that qualifies my view on babies and children.

As for their right to fly? Of course they have a right to fly. Just like me, just like the op. Do I like them onboard sitting near me? Not really.But I don't whine about it. I accept it as part of the travel experience.

All that said, there are only a few babies in my entire flying life that have annoyed me vs countless adults. Surprising huh?

Anyway this thread will just continue in circles until closed.

 

[LAH]

All good. It's only 18:25 here in Bali, so the wine is chilling, and I won't even be thinking about this thread in a few hours. meanwhile have just finished booking my lovely 5 year old grandson and his mum on a flight to come and visit soon - hope he behaves!!! And, if he is a little mischievous, well, apparently it won't matter because he is in economy!

 

[yo yo ma]

Re: 17 Things Your Flight Attendant Won't Tell You

HOWEVER, if I were paying big bucks for J or F, I most definitely would be peeved if a little kid cried and cried.

If I was paying big big bucks for F/J, I would be upset if my kids cried and cried.

Thankfully they don't...

 

[11sjw]

Re: 17 Things Your Flight Attendant Won't Tell You

If your kiddie were well behaved, I'd have no probs. I think I was quite clear that my concern would relate to a child crying and crying. In those circumstances I don't think children should travel in J or F; others pay a lot of money and i consider that they're entitled to a reasonable degree of quiet. I didn't say that total peace and quiet is warranted. And as I have commented below, reasonable tolerance (of noise) and reasonable supervision (by parents) goes a long way.

Anytime I've been in J and there's been a crying child you can barely hear them when a set of headphones are deployed. Background noise of the sircraft tends to drown them out a little as well. Haven't encountered a crying child in J on A380 (only been in there twice ) or any other newer, less noisy, aircraft so not sure how loud they sound minus headphones.

Sorry, I should have specified this from the start- I was mainly referring to J or F. If I pay cheap bucks for a ticket in the back of the bus, I don't really expect much better than crying children all around me.

Really?

Which aircraft are you referring to in OP where a 3 year old can have "hundreds of other paying passengers inconvenienced" ? If indeed your original post was referring to J or F
The only ones I can think of would be the BA city flyer from LCY-JFK, or the now defunct SQ A340 SIN-EWR

There you have it, a crock from the start.

 

[LAH]

oh, but I have to tell a quick story. My youngest who is now 16 : when she was about 10 we were in Mexico City. She has a fear of flying, but there was some story on the news that set her off! In the waiting lounge we were all called to the counter to have our boarding passes checked. She was sitting in the chair crying, so I left her there (in full view) and queued - and what a long queue. All I could hear was this child crying over to my right, but I was totally ignoring it (as one has to do sometimes!) The person in front of me was at the counter, and as I spoke Spanish, I understood what they were saying. "Where is the parent of that poor child?" "What a terrible parent" "People should not have children ..." and it went on. When it was my turn they took the boarding passes, and asked me where the child was : I pointed at MY child only a few feet away still sobbing! They didn't say anything .......

 

[11sjw]

Re: 17 Things Your Flight Attendant Won't Tell You

If I was paying big big bucks for F/J, I would be upset if my kids cried and cried.

Thankfully they don't...

Agreed. Miss11sjw is quite excited to be able to sit in a seat that turns into a bed later this year.

 

[LAH]

Re: 17 Things Your Flight Attendant Won't Tell You

If I was paying big big bucks for F/J, I would be upset if my kids cried and cried.

Thankfully they don't...

I agree that it would be very distressing for me if my kids were disturbing everyone on the aircraft! Whether it was Y, J or F. So, have a thought for the poor parents.

 

[Blinky]

oh, but I have to tell a quick story. My youngest who is now 16 : when she was about 10 we were in Mexico City. She has a fear of flying, but there was some story on the news that set her off! In the waiting lounge we were all called to the counter to have our boarding passes checked. She was sitting in the chair crying, so I left her there (in full view) and queued - and what a long queue. All I could hear was this child crying over to my right, but I was totally ignoring it (as one has to do sometimes!) The person in front of me was at the counter, and as I spoke Spanish, I understood what they were saying. "Where is the parent of that poor child?" "What a terrible parent" "People should not have children ..." and it went on. When it was my turn they took the boarding passes, and asked me where the child was : I pointed at MY child only a few feet away still sobbing! They didn't say anything .......

And this is a very good point, although perhaps off topic. My wife and I picked up a few clues bring up a tribe, and when a kid had a (thankfully rare) tantrum in a supermarket or whatever, we simple kept walking and denied an audience. You could see the looks of horror on people's faces, yet the child always got up and sheepishly rejoined us. Perhaps that's why they were well behaved on planes.

 

[tuapekastar]

Re: 17 Things Your Flight Attendant Won't Tell You

Of course now all the kid bearers are trying to shut me off just defend their turf, surprise surprise. I'll stick to what I'm saying and will be closing off this ridiculous fight as it's just leading nowhere. Fact is: Kids under the age of 3 suck big time on an aircraft :evil:, are a nuisance for everyone around them an most likely get traumatized for life just so that their ego-loaded parents can have a nice time. People like that should't even get kids but that's a different topic altogether.

I don't have (nor intend to have) kids, and the sound of squalling infants ranks right up there with fingernails scratched on a blackboard as an irritant, but I find the idea of suggesting sub 3YO's should not (generally) be permitted to fly very ill-conceived and unfairly discriminatory.

Remember:

1) You are perfectly entitled to an opinion
2) You are perfectly entitled to express that opinion
3) 2) is not mandatory

 

[LAH]

oh, Blinky, you sound just like me! Yes, I had given her some comfort in THIS situation because of her anxiety : but there comes a time to walk away! And she has been flying since a baby and always well behaved! My eldest daughter had a time when she suffered ear pain when flying as a child ........ she cried softly, but was very stoic!

 

[Mgjdubs]

I don't have children, but I have travelled with my godchildren. I likely will do that in future, considering I am frequently relied upon to travel with the young ones in my spare time in Australia, for our own reasons. If someone is so opposed to me travelling with a 3-5 year old in J or F, then they should book all the seats in that cabin, or pop out and pick up a G650, with matching pilot and cabin crew.

If this is beyond the means of that someone, then they suck it up, or not travel. Chances are that I, or anyone else with means to book our children or godchildren in premium cabins with us, don't particularly care whether or not someone (with a viewpoint similar to that of the OP) doesn't think they should be there. This country is far too isolated geographically in terms of international travel, and quite spread out in terms of domestic travel, not to expect children to share a cabin on a plane with.

Might I suggest to the OP that he travels with MH in First in future (as apparently, they've banned babies in F), if having to share space with the leaders of tomorrow on an aircraft is such a major sticking point!

 

[anat0l]

The biggest bone of contention here (which I would postulate is no where near the crux of the rationale of the original statement that generated this thread) is a crying infant / child.

To those of us who have had kids, could anyone tell me if you are always very, very happy when your infant / child cries, on an aircraft or otherwise?

 

[Blinky]

To those of us who have had kids, could anyone tell me if you are always very, very happy when your infant / child cries, on an aircraft or otherwise?

Of course you are not happy, but you do your best. I got the job of walking the baby up and down the aisle, which usually did the trick. A bit of cough for the bub also often worked.

I do understand it can be annoying, but it's not the only annoying thing on a flight. Personally, we were lucky as our kids were good sleepers.

 

[LAH]

The biggest bone of contention here (which I would postulate is no where near the crux of the rationale of the original statement that generated this thread) is a crying infant / child.

To those of us who have had kids, could anyone tell me if you are always very, very happy when your infant / child cries, on an aircraft or otherwise?

of course not, and that is why I say have a thought for the poor parents who are probably mortified and doing their best to resolve the crying!

 

[burmans]

Re: 17 Things Your Flight Attendant Won't Tell You

Luckily I'm not easily offended but the one here who is narrow-minded and clearly doesn't give anything about the people around you is yourself.

How about we do a poll on that, you post an obnoxiuos post then when noone agrees with you you start accusing them of narrow mindedness. It may sell well when you are talking to yourself but was never going to go down well with the general publec. not that I think you care about that much.

 

[ashleyn]

Re: 17 Things Your Flight Attendant Won't Tell You

How about we do a poll on that, you post an obnoxius post then when noone agreas with you you start accusing them of narrow mindedness. It may sell well when you are talking to yourself but was never going to go down well with the general publec. not that I think you care about that much.

Didn't we just do that ?

 

[mannej]

You don't come across too many trolling threads in this forum, and this one is a beauty.

Berlin, my wife and I are "breeders" with seven kids. When our oldest was 16 we decided to take the whole family on an overseas holiday because after about 17, it's just seriously uncool to go away with the family. The youngest two were 11 months and 3 (thankfully, just over your arbitrary and irrational allowable age). The baby was breast fed, relaxed the whole way and slept for most of the flight in the bassinet. The others were simply having the adventure of their lives, as were we.

I wasn't a frequent flyer then, so didn't pick up any cues indicating irritation or disapproval. But guess what? If I did, I wouldn't have cared. And that's the point Berlin. Your intolerant opinion simply doesn't matter.

Blinky - you'd almost go platinum if you could family pool all 7 kids onto the one account!

 

[Simo]

I don't have children, but I have travelled with my godchildren. I likely will do that in future, considering I am frequently relied upon to travel with the young ones in my spare time in Australia, for our own reasons. If someone is so opposed to me travelling with a 3-5 year old in J or F, then they should book all the seats in that cabin, or pop out and pick up a G650, with matching pilot and cabin crew.

If this is beyond the means of that someone, then they suck it up, or not travel. Chances are that I, or anyone else with means to book our children or godchildren in premium cabins with us, don't particularly care whether or not someone (with a viewpoint similar to that of the OP) doesn't think they should be there. This country is far too isolated geographically in terms of international travel, and quite spread out in terms of domestic travel, not to expect children to share a cabin on a plane with.

Might I suggest to the OP that he travels with MH in First in future (as apparently, they've banned babies in F), if having to share space with the leaders of tomorrow on an aircraft is such a major sticking point!

Yep you nailed the solution.

Book all the seats in F or J or get your own G650.