Should QF have F on all QFi metal?

[Greggsy]

Well after August I will be WP. So any trans Tasman trips will see me checking it out. Not a big deal though I am told

It's very much like the AKL lounge, which you'll be seeing a lot of as well.


Greg.

 

[Alanslegal]

Alan but there's just one thing that I can't shake...........now that I fly F, I really can't stomach J.

You might have to slum it in J after F becomes only available on limited routes he he he

 

[NM]

How long ago was it that CX dropped F from OZ - 5 years?

It was early 2009 when they announced they were stopping all F to Australia. I had an F award booked for September 2009 and was changed to J early in 2009 when they dropped F services. not sure of the date the F services ceased, but it was somewhere around April.

I remember travelling on a 343 with F back in 09, but I am not sure if that was the norm or an exception.

Would have been early 2009 and most likely from SYD or MEL.

I remember flying J (coffin style) 08....wanted to book F however, not available. Maybe they were phasing them out over a period of time.

From BNE, F was always an issue for CX. I was routing via MEL to get a F for my award in 2009 (then they canned F after I had booked). BNE has been J/Y for CX for a long time.

 

[moa999]

It's all about product improvement. I think the first flat, not fully flat, business class was around 2000 – QF skybed I was 2003 from memory -- before that everything was just a greater tilt.

 

[browski]

You might have to slum it in J after F becomes only available on limited routes he he he

Thank goodness EK have ordered 90 + A380s - all with F

 

[zachary.august]

I think that F wil always be an integral part of flying. Premium leisure travellers, businesspeople and people (like myself) who need to work the second they step of the plane will always choose over J until [J] can become less uniform, more personalised and have flexibility. When I get on a F flight to say LAX the first thing I am onboard I change into my pyjamas, eat, watch TV and then sleep all the way until breakfast, which I can have when ready, done! After sleeping for seven + hours I am ready to do business! It is this kind of traveller that will keep F alive in some shape or form.

 

[ajca]

I would rather see Qantas focus on building a new J product that feels more F-like, e.g. Singapore Airlines style. SQ's A380s and 77Ws have an exceptionally good J product with the privacy of 1-2-1 layout and wide beds that allow you to really stretch out and sleep, which makes F seem a bit redundant to me... (unless you or your employer have an extremely generous travel budget)

SQ shows that a good J product can achieve a lot of the things that make F better than J, e.g. not having to sleep next to a snoring stranger, not having someone climb over you in the middle of the night, not having a wide bed to stretch out in, not having privacy...

Emirates tried to do this on the A380 too but sadly they got it completely wrong. I haven't tried CX's 77W new product but it seems to be following in SQ's style and holds much promise.

 

[amaroo]

I would rather see Qantas focus on building a new J product that feels more F-like, e.g. Singapore Airlines style. SQ's A380s and 77Ws have an exceptionally good J product with the privacy of 1-2-1 layout and wide beds that allow you to really stretch out and sleep, which makes F seem a bit redundant to me... (unless you or your employer have an extremely generous travel budget)

SQ shows that a good J product can achieve a lot of the things that make F better than J, e.g. not having to sleep next to a snoring stranger, not having someone climb over you in the middle of the night, not having a wide bed to stretch out in, not having privacy...

Emirates tried to do this on the A380 too but sadly they got it completely wrong. I haven't tried CX's 77W new product but it seems to be following in SQ's style and holds much promise.

If you fly CX ex-SYD you get this on their A333

 

[Deleted member]

It's small, and paltry in comparison to its bigger sibling in SYD and MEL (food more like Dom J lounge). BUT it has champagne. And the QP/Intl J lounge has bubbles.
That's a nice difference for me, pre-flight.

Good enough for Mrs GPH. she is a definite champagne only girl

 

[samh004]

Taking a page out of amaroo’s post above, I don’t see why QF couldn’t build a good J product (with privacy, wide beds and all the hard product of F) and then sell F in the J cabin, with which comes additional food and drinks menu etc. I know that’ll catch some the wrong way, but other than a smaller cabin/privacy, it’s the food and drinks that seem to be the major difference these days, as the hard product is very close on some of the bigger airlines (not QF obviously as skybeds don’t look anything like F).

 

[Deleted member]

I have not had a lot of experience in J long haul. Once, to London with Malaysian and just some BNE - SIN return. Which I suppose is not exactly long haul.
However J was acceptable on many levels, good service, nice wide recline seating ( not lie flat) and good (better than Y) food and drinks.
Will fly F next year ( as a tick off on my bucket list) , but don't expect to make a habit of it.
I don't like Y and will resist traveling there as much as I can. So no F with maybe more improved J could be a winner .

 

[Simo]

I guess for QF it is a mathematical challenge.

Potential F customers Versing cost of providing a F service for only a few pax and having unutilised space for a flight when J and Y is fully booked.