Rumour has it & Qantas [778 non-stop London from Sydney]

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I am getting really strong signals ( Rumours) that indeed Qantas are introducing 777 - 8 series aircraft for direct London from Sydney. Starting in 18 Months flight length 20.5 hours.
Exciting !
 
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I am getting really strong signals ( Rumours) that indeed Qantas are introducing 777 - 8 series aircraft for direct London from Sydney. Starting in 18 Months flight length 20.5 hours.
Exciting !

care to share your sources....?
 
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Mightn't be that exciting in economy i would have thought.... And maybe QFi might remember Perth exists is they want to do some straight through services...
 
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Like a good journalist my precise sources are not up for sale.

I do have contact with some industry sources though. There is excitement.
 
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Why would anyone find a 20.5hrs direct flight exciting? Save an hour or 2?

That would be torture in any cabin. Some in economy will not be able to survive.
 
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care to share your sources....?

Second this, if only at an AFF gathering even. Otherwise anyone can role up with that scenario and I'll say "cool story bro". State why source is privileged and you might get some slack.
 
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I hate to be skeptical about such a rumor, but the biggest issue with such long-longhaul is the weight of the additional fuel needed to go such a distance (which includes the additional fuel needed to carry the additional fuel to carry the additional fuel to carry the additional fuel ... etc.). This has basically precluded effective(/profitable) payloads on ultra long haul segments.
 
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Lets face it the likelihood of this happening has to be zero. The fuel burn on a flight of this length would be so great as to make it uneconomical. As others have said who would want to sit in a metal tube for 20.5 hours? Why would you duplicate Qantas services through Dubai with a direct route? And how would you get delivery of 777 aircraft in 18 months?
 
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Well without revealing any red hot sources, its not time to pop an champagne corks or anything, it just becomes an idea to keep in the back of the mind, but if he doesn't want to tell us who is sharing the hot goss with him/her that's their choice...
 
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Like a good journalist my precise sources are not up for sale.

I do have contact with some industry sources though. There is excitement.

Are you able to explain who, what, where, when, why, how the the excitement relates to your statement on this forum and why they are not up for sale?
 
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I have my strong doubts about this rumour. And not just because I don't have the info, but because it just seems, in and of itself, implausible.

First, you have to get a 777-8 aircraft somewhere. That's the first struggle for QF, and Boeing haven't started production on it yet.

Second, SYD-LON direct is about 20+ hours non-stop. No jokes. I just did SQ22 which is 19 hours non-stop. Thankfully it was in J (an aircraft specifically outfitted with all J). That's comfortable enough to do but many people will still strain at a flight like that even in premium (and be damned if they run out of drinking water on the flight).

If QF copy SQ in this way and configure the aircraft as all premium, then unless it has a killer product on board I don't see how it could ever be profitable (because QF will critically need to fill it up each time to make it economical). Even if it was limited to W, J and F, that's tough to break even unless QF really kill it in product and offer good ground service for such a flight (you need to give people a lot of comfort when they will be cooped up in a metal tube in excess of 20 hours!).

Now LHR-PER non-stop might be plausible (about 9000 mi, 500 mi more than SYD/DFW), and a rumour was put out that VS was boasting it could start such a service, but I believe they wanted to use 787s. LHR-PER-SYD on a QF 777 would be a novel service but still sounds implausible for other reasons. The range of a 777-8X according to Wikipedia (and sources within) is about 10909 mi; I wonder how it would stack up when it flies westward (i.e. in the direction of probable headwinds).


I suppose there's nothing really wrong with excitement but just saying this sounds implausible.


Now Emirates is the largest operator of 777s in the world, and I believe they have contributed quite a bit to Boeing for the upcoming 777-X models (including 777-8 and 777-9). I wouldn't be surprised if they will be the first ones to put an order on these variants. They could be operating lots of flights to Australia with these (but naturally they would stop in DXB). Who knows, maybe they will lease a few aircraft to QF (but I'd find that unlikely), but I'd still find it surprising if a SYD/LHR non-stop flight were considered.
 
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Why would anyone find a 20.5hrs direct flight exciting? Save an hour or 2?

That would be torture in any cabin. Some in economy will not be able to survive.
American does a very nice 777 product in J (and F, so I'm told). Just LHR to DFW, but I enjoyed every moment. I could take a day of it, easy.

But that long in Y would be something I'd run a mile to avoid. Y+, at the very least. Either that or there would have to be some common areas where passengers could get up and move around.

And think about the extra staff, meals and consumables required. That all takes room and weight.
 
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Why would you duplicate Qantas services through Dubai with a direct route? And how would you get delivery of 777 aircraft in 18 months?
To avoid Dubai.
 
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This is about the third time you've tried to release this rumour. Some discussion now. But I think everyone has outlined why it seems to be nothing more than rumour.
 
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777-8??? is it being built at the skunk works?
 
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How much extra tax/fuel fines would it cost going direct?
 
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Like a good journalist my precise sources are not up for sale.

I do have contact with some industry sources though. There is excitement.

So as a journalist you would publish somewhere. Could you share the name of your publication?
 
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Why fly direct when you can connect?
 
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I am getting really strong signals ( Rumours) that indeed Qantas are introducing 777 - 8 series aircraft for direct London from Sydney. Starting in 18 Months flight length 20.5 hours.
Exciting !

Will QF be designing and building these 777-8s themselves? Last I heard Boeing isn't expecting to deliver any before 2019 or 2020.
 
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