Quick & Easy P1 Requalification

[rotuma1]

Well done on an impressive run

 

[Edge]

Like others I'm curious as to where the ">$15k value" comes from - if you're already flying in J or F all the time?

 

[RichardMEL]

Like seeing Hamilton or Uber-Sewing-Machines or whatever... we all have our interests and desires... Spending $$$ to criss cross the tasman on EK to get to P1 is hardly illegal or anything. Each to their own. Frankly after the 8th flight in a few days I'd be sick of the EK experience, let alone the catering (I don't think they've changed the ex-MEL J/F brekky menu in years!) but that's just me. I reckon lay off the bloke (assuming there !! ).

As for spending time/money for things... I've done a few in my time - I flew SQ F (on points) back in the day to LHR for a weekend to attend a classical music concert for example.

Each to their own. It's what life is for - and if one can indulge ones passions or hobbies or whatever then more luck to you. All my flying is 100% pleasure. I fly sectors I don't "need" to for either experiences (eg: AY A350 J or EK longhaul F or whaytever) because I'm in a position where I *can* (very lucky) and the travel experience is something that interests me. P1 is nice sure.. and I do a bunch of SC runs thrown in, but I wouldn't personally ONLY do a series of runs to get the white. Everyone's different in what matters to them, what their goals are and what they value.

Cheers to the effort (though one may prefer something other than Dom 2006 right now! )

 

[Bindibuys]

We flew international for a movie once. Good times.

LOL - me too ..... 3 times!!!

 

[levelnine]

I reckon lay off the bloke (assuming there !! ).

People are certainly free to spend their money as they please. (Though the extravagant uses of money starting to appear in this thread raise deeply important and difficult moral and political questions about economic inequality -- eg is it morally and politically just for someone to have so much money that they can spend it on such items while people in the same society who work equally as hard do not have enough to purchase a place to live? This is, of course, getting wildly OT.)

However, if you are going to post a thread on a public forum noting that you spent $15,000 to retain WP1, you should expect people to criticise you for this choice. If you didn't want criticism, don't post something that many people could reasonably think to be absurd.

Think of it this way. If I posted a thread saying I spent $10,000 on expensive champagne only to pour it down the sink, people would be reasonably able to comment on the absurdity of my conduct.

 

[Pushka]

I disagree levelnine. We don't have the moral right to criticise on how people spend their own money. Period. Their money.

 

[Kangol]

LOL - me too ..... 3 times!!!

I'm wondering, what movies were they? This is before internet streaming, downloading and whatnot I'm guessing!

I've done several 2-3 night trips to the US, but that is neither new nor uncommon. I would imagine there are a number that do a transpacific day trip on a regular enough basis.

 

[Bindibuys]

I'm wondering, what movies were they? This is before internet streaming, downloading and whatnot I'm guessing!

I've done several 2-3 night trips to the US, but that is neither new nor uncommon. I would imagine there are a number that do a transpacific day trip on a regular enough basis.

Premier in the USA of the Twilight movies. A group of us travel from Aus, Germany & USA for a girls weekend. (I go for the company - not the actual movies)

 

[Borisdog]

I reckon $15K for P1 is dirt cheap.

I spend about $14000 a year on domestic and only just retain WP each year. In fact that gets me 1170SC and I have to find the other 30. Double SC obviously gets me more.

 

[craven morehead]

well using Qantas Epiqure as an example, if you were to partake in the Voyager Estate Shiraz ($210 per case of 6) which comes with 7,500 QF Points, you would find yourself with 71 cases and around 660,000 QF points. Which would not be enough for 2PAX F return London/Melbourne (384,000 points return per person)

There are other ways to earn/buy qantas points, so this is merely one illustrative example to put things into perspective.

And a nice drop as well for 30+ points per dollar don't think my 2 cases will get me back in F this month but it all helps.

 

[craven morehead]

But then you could on-sell (some of) the wine.......

Funny you say that !! Did cross my mind

 

[levelnine]

I disagree levelnine. We don't have the moral right to criticise on how people spend their own money. Period. Their money.

You spend your money purchasing weapons that you then give to an authoritarian leader to use against his/her people.

Are you saying there is no moral right to criticise how that money has been spent? Wow.

 

[Pushka]

You spend your money purchasing weapons that you then give to an authoritarian leader to use against his/her people.

Are you saying there is no moral right to criticise how that money has been spent? Wow.

You seriously equate how an individual spends their own money with how a Government spends their tax dollars? Wow.

Just highlighting what I posted as the inference seems to have escaped you.

I disagree levelnine. We don't have the moral right to criticise on how people spend their own money. Period. Their money.

 

[levelnine]

You seriously equate how an individual spends their own money with how a Government spends their tax dollars? Wow.

Just highlighting what I posted as the inference seems to have escaped you.

No, you misread my post. I said you are spending the money on weapons, not the government.

Let me put it another way.

Say your next door neighbour spends his money purchasing a highly volatile substance that could explode at any point in time.

Are you unable to criticise him for the way he has spent his money?

 

[Pushka]

No, you misread my post. I said you are spending the money on weapons, not the government.

Let me put it another way.

Say your next door neighbour spends his money purchasing a highly volatile substance that could explode at any point in time.

Are you unable to criticise him for the way he has spent his money?

I thought this thread was about how people spent their money on their 'social pursuits' and not whether they were in involved in criminal activity, and in which case the money spend is not the issue, is it?

 

[levelnine]

I thought this thread was about how people spent their money on their 'social pursuits' and not whether they were in involved in criminal activity, and in which case the money spend is not the issue, is it?

The issue is whether one is entitled to be free from criticism. I'm most happy to confine it to 'social pursuits', though that is not what you initially said.

If that's the confines of the debate, I repeat what I initially said: the OP is absolutely entitled to spend $15K retaining WP1, but he is not entitled to be free from criticism for that spending.

The reason is straightforward. If you have a moral right to be free from criticism, your moral right restricts the freedom of others. It is fundamentally illiberal.

Eg if my social pursuit is posting on a frequent flyer forum, I have absolutely no moral right to be free from criticism for what I post. To demand that you refrain from criticising me would restrict your freedom.

 

[Jack_OC]

Totally agree it's up to anyone to spend their money as they see fit, and I would say most people spend cash on pursuits that others would consider to be "wasting money".

However, the OP claimed "I am confident that I will extract significantly >$15k of benefit from the relationship over the coming 23 months" (later corrected to 12 months as that's the additional period of P1 status).

I think it's perfectly reasonable for others to question that claim. I too am mystified about how P1 status could be worth significantly more than $1,250 a month compared to Platinum status, to someone who already only flies in premium cabins. Especially as the stated reason for the status runs was that the OP "was faced with the very real possibility that my future travel plans with QF over the coming 12 months wouldn't see me requalify for WP1". I take that to mean that the OP envisages much reduced levels of travel with QF compared to previous years, which means fewer opportunities to benefit from status.

If it's just a case of "I like flying and I like being P1 so I just wanted to do it", then fair enough, each to their own. However, the OP has tried to argue that this series of status runs made financial sense, and I'm sorry, I just don't see how. Happy to be enlightened about the business case if I'm missing something though!

 

[RichardMEL]

Well that quickly spiraled out of control (and topic IMHO).

Look, of course one should expect criticism. Everyone has their viewpoint and are entitled to it (just see the above couple of pages!!)

I just thought (MY viewpoint !) some of the comments directed towards the OP were a bit over the top.

Arguments about the ethical or moral "distribution of economic power" are separate and reflect different perspectives (eg: left v right).

When I was writing my earlier post I was actually thinking a bit about the notion of these jaunts to/from NZ for a FF card vs starving families in Africa, or even homless in our own streets and all the rest....

... BUT none of us have any way of knowing what the OP does with their money. Maybe they donate $85k to charity while spending $15k on P1. Maybe they donate $0. Maybe they work in a soup kitchen.. maybe this is all fake news and nothing happened....

To me there all sorts in this world and some at the "highest" (income/$$$ wise) levels are quite sefish and live to excess, while others (often with little or no public fanfare) are amazingly generous and help others.

I don't know that this is the place for discussions of the morality of how one person has (allegedly) chosen to spend some of their financial resources. It can be very easy to jump to conclusions which may or may not be accurate.

IMHO.

 

[boomy]

If it's just a case of "I like flying and I like being P1 so I just wanted to do it", then fair enough, each to their own. However, the OP has tried to argue that this series of status runs made financial sense, and I'm sorry, I just don't see how. Happy to be enlightened about the business case if I'm missing something though!

I've asked that question as well some posts ago. Still waiting to be enlightened about the financial sense.

I know someone who spend a lot of money to keep his HON Circle tier (P1 equivalent). When asked why the answer was "because LH treats me like a god!".
Wish I could say the same thing about QF as P1...

 

[cambriamarsh]

I disagree levelnine. We don't have the moral right to criticise on how people spend their own money. Period. Their money.

Absolutely agree, some people spend a fortune on golf, others on beer, others on running shoes. If the funds are honestly obtained good luck to them.