QF fleet renewal still a long way off

[Mogul]

Qantas CEO Alan Joyce gives Airbus A220 the thumbs up

Qantas CEO Alan Joyce says the Airbus A220 is a very good aircraft.

australianaviation.com.au

AJ suggests another 5 year's or so.

 

[dajop]

An aircraft to recommence ADL-SIN services with

 

[Hvr]

AJ suggests another 5 year's or so.

I doubt AJ will be there.

 

[Isochronous]

I doubt AJ will be there.

Let another CEO deal with it and the lower profits/share price/bonuses that large capex is likely to cause.

 

[samh004]

Glad to hear he liked what he saw, but that's far from a deal.

Considering they have 20 B717's and 17 F100's it would be good to replace all those aircraft with something more fuel efficient while they can still offload them at a good price. However, with the largest operator of the B717 – Delta – having already placed an order for 95 A220's, and started receiving them, I can't see them wanting to take any B717's from QF. That leaves Hawaiian Airlines. The other large operator – Volotea – already plans to transition their 17 B717's to the A319.

I note the Q400 requires approximately 50m less runway length than an A220-100, for between 42 and 61 fewer passengers. I have travelled on many regional routes where the plane has been completely sold. So the ability to add seats while still being able to use the regional facilities would be a big bonus.

 

[moa999]

while they can still offload them at a good price

Don't think there is much value left these days, and $80m buys an awful lot of fuel.

 

[dajop]

So the ability to add seats while still being able to use the regional facilities would be a big bonus.

In the era of "capacity discipline" would it?

 

[samh004]

Don't think there is much value left these days, and $80m buys an awful lot of fuel.

So perhaps they missed that ship.

 

[opusman]

Remember how long they kept the 734's around for. Joyce may be many things but frivolous with aircraft replacements isn't one of them.

 

[Nisho]

Based on the current state of the 737 MAX, It may have been quite opportunistic to negotiate a cheaper deal for some MAXs. Perhaps something along the lines of what IAG did earlier this year. By the time QF accepts these aircraft, I would imagine most of the general public would have forgotten about the ongoing debacle this year.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Qantas CEO Alan Joyce gives Airbus A220 the thumbs up

Qantas CEO Alan Joyce says the Airbus A220 is a very good aircraft.

australianaviation.com.au

Gee the legroom looks really tight in that picture

 

[Quickstatus]

Aj thinks the toilets are large. Really the reporter should have reported that AJ likes the large toilets because he spotted some spare space that he can extract.

AJ has never ordered any new aircraft. He has cancelled a few but has not ordered any new.

 

[Melburnian1]

Glad to hear he liked what he saw, but that's far from a deal...

I note the Q400 requires approximately 50m less runway length than an A220-100, for between 42 and 61 fewer passengers. I have travelled on many regional routes where the plane has been completely sold. So the ability to add seats while still being able to use the regional facilities would be a big bonus.

May "regional" - rural is a better term - towns and cities in Australia (especially those away from the coast) are not increasing in population, and tourism is hardly booming. Even some Queensland coastal cities are hardly booming, and international visitor numbers are starting to show (nationally) signs of a decline.

I can't see the justification to add so many new seats to these markets.

 

[Melburnian1]

Aj thinks the toilets are large. Really the reporter should have reported that AJ likes the large toilets because he spotted some spare space that he can extract.

AJ has never ordered any new aircraft. He has cancelled a few but has not ordered any new.

An ageing fleet for a second rate airline that isn't in the world's top 20.

 

[Quickstatus]

I know WaggaWagga is growing but not to the extent that there needs to be extra seats. The few times I have done SYD-WGA, the REX flights have not been full.

 

[Quickstatus]

An ageing fleet for a second rate airline that isn't in the world's top 20.

But still charges a premium which on a distance basis, a regional/rural flight to a major capital city costs more than a SYD-MEL

 

[Happy Trails]

Aj thinks the toilets are large. Really the reporter should have reported that AJ likes the large toilets because he spotted some spare space that he can extract.

Can't argue with that.

has never ordered any new aircraft. He has cancelled a few but has not ordered any new.

He ordered heaps for Jetstar Hong Kong.

 

[moa999]

AJ has never ordered any new aircraft. He has cancelled a few but has not ordered any new.

Not quite true.
And not helped by the massive order book he inherited from Geoff Dixon, part of it not yet received.

From the 2009 data book at 30 June 2009 (AJ became CEO in late 2008) Qantas group had 233 aircraft and an order book for 168 !
2 330s - delivered
62 320s - still only about halfway through it, last 30-odd now converted to LRs and XLRs
16 380s (already had 4) - as we know 8 cancelled
50 787s - only received 20-odd so far and likely not many more
31 737s all delivered
7 Q400s all delivered

AJ added 10 additional 320neoXLRs earlier this year, and I think doing the math there are 6 more A330s (EBO-EBV) added under his watch, negotiated cheaply with A380 settlements that filled 787 delays.

 

[Melburnian1]

Not quite true.
And not helped by the massive order book he inherited from Geoff Dixon, part of it not yet received.

From the 2009 data book at 30 June 2009 (AJ became CEO in late 2018)...

Your fingers may have slipped. AJ became CEO on 28 November 2008 according to a source I looked up.

Irrespective, he still has a very poor record in ordering new aircraft.

The QF fleet has considerably aged under his watch.

If he spent as much time on this as he does on his beloved social advocacy for areas way beyond what an airline ought concentrate on, maybe QF would have a better long term financial future.

 

[moa999]

Obviously meant 2008... Anyhow the 10-year comparison.

There were still a lot of classics (737-300/400s and the 767s) around when Joyce took over.

Agree however that the average domestic fleet has aged - but the existing 737s are fine, and Qantas would be in a world of pain if they had say 10-15 MAXs sitting grounded at present.

After a period of the international fleet age growing, it's now dropping rapidly with the 787 deliveries and 747 retirements.