QF considering relaunching PER-SIN

[Sethor]

I doubt QF will restart with a 738, they might have excess A330's with the domestic capacity freeze & JQ A330's coming over to QF.

 

[cambriamarsh]

We've had 737 exclusively across the Tasman with QF for quite a few years now. Previously it was 767 and before that 747. What most have found is frequency trumps size.

If the service is ok 5 hrs is tolerable unless it's an overnight, in my view.
Cheers

 

[cmon0005]

I doubt QF will restart with a 738, they might have excess A330's with the domestic capacity freeze & JQ A330's coming over to QF.

I doubt it will be an A330 for 2 reasons,
1.) in the article it mentions they have a plan B, which would mean its different from Plan A (their original PER-SIN service).
2.) if they couldn't make it work on an A330 a few months ago, whats changed all of a sudden that it could work.

I have flown 737's on Air Pacific (Fiji Airways) before from MEL-NAN which is about the same length as PER-SIN, and it was perfectly fine, a bit squishy but doable, any longer than 4.5-5 hours then it becomes a bit of a drag, or even a night flight can be annoying.

But with QF stranger things have happened, so anyone's guess! :mrgreen:

 

[v8Statesman]

Dream mode. I'd be happy to see the AA A321 transcontinental config on the route. The CX J seat sold as domestic F in the USA in 1-1 config if wonderful! QF should get some.

 

[casanovawa]

I doubt it will be an A330 for 2 reasons,
1.) in the article it mentions they have a plan B, which would mean its different from Plan A (their original PER-SIN service).
2.) if they couldn't make it work on an A330 a few months ago, whats changed all of a sudden that it could work.

I have flown 737's on Air Pacific (Fiji Airways) before from MEL-NAN which is about the same length as PER-SIN, and it was perfectly fine, a bit squishy but doable, any longer than 4.5-5 hours then it becomes a bit of a drag, or even a night flight can be annoying.

But with QF stranger things have happened, so anyone's guess! :mrgreen:

They could just be playing fast and loose with the English language as they have been of late (marketing thinking its clever to dress up bald faced lies by changing the meaning of words) as it would be too embarrassing to admit they were so stupid, so they do exactly the same thing but call it a 'Plan B', it will fool most of the people which is what QF seem to be about often these days...

And yes it might be tolerable if it was priced competitively, but then how often are QF ever priced competitively and if they were struggling to make a profit previously I can' imagine a whole bunch of deep discounting if they restart the route...

As I said, in the back of a JQ A320 or a QF738 will only be of marginal different comfort levels but I imagine quite different prices...

 

[Cynicor]

Idle speculation, but would 2nd daily hours work for many other people? I'm thinking on the QF77 equivalent, Mon/Wed/Fri/Sun Morning departure- say 1100, and Tues/Thurs/Sat a later 1500 or something that clashes less with JQ. Returns that worked well for a long weekend are mostly what I'm after, as I can spend a bit longer connecting for a normal holiday. It's sad when I think of how many times QF was my go-to and I spent ages trying to connect from them in SIN onto a OW partner. Much easier with the current situation...

 

[wandering_fred]

Will PER see QF on PER-SIN again? [maybe says ausbt]

Reported in the online press today Qantas tips relaunch of Perth-Singapore flights - Flights | hotels | frequent flyer | business class - Australian Business Traveller

I received a couple of online survey requests from QF a few months ago. I made some very strong comments on the timings of 3K versus the QF flights PER-SIN and asked how given the base of OneWorld code shares on the QF flights they could have "lost" the flight.

The discussion on airliners.net Qantas Tips Relaunch Of Perth-Singapore Flights — Civil Aviation Forum | Airliners.net is in full swing for those wanting the truly speculative options.

exPER I would settle for a morning flight designed to connect (3K/MK/UL/CX) to SE Asia and a late afternoon flight designed to arrive in SIN at a reasonable hotel check in time and to connect with long haul flights (BA/AY/JL) And maybe thinking about 3K connecting SIN-PEK?

exSIN a morning flight avoiding a crack of dawn trip to the airport (the old timing of 0900 ??) and a post work time flight that gets into PER before midnight.

Whatever the option, through checking of luggage to 3K (and OW partners ) should be mandatory. As with 3K in Asia when connecting to QF in SIN.

And how about timing the afternoon flight (or even using the same aircraft) to permit ADL-PER-SIN. Ditto for the morning flight exSIN.

Happy wandering

Fred

 

[Comoman]

Re: Will PER see QF on PER-SIN again? [maybe says ausbt]

Dunno but this horse has bolted. Flew QF J last month Per-Sin and back (for business) and the plane was packed both ways. Was nice (crew great). Flew SQ (again J) last week. Can't see myself going back.

Too little too late I suspect.....

 

[Himeno]

I doubt QF will restart with a 738, they might have excess A330's with the domestic capacity freeze & JQ A330's coming over to QF.

If QF had an "excess" A330, they'd use it to retire a 767 or 747.

 

[Comoman]

Dupe post (waiting for thread merge) but:

Dunno but this horse has bolted. Flew QF J last month Per-Sin and back (for business) and the plane was packed both ways. Was nice (crew great). Flew SQ (again J) last week. Can't see myself going back.

Too little too late I suspect.....

 

[Pleb Status]

Re: Will PER see QF on PER-SIN again? [maybe says ausbt]

PER-SIN-LHR on a QFi 789. Timing in SIN to connect with the SYD/MEL/BNE flights. QFi need a connecting flight ex SIN to produce enough traffic even for the East Coast AUS-SIN flights which have all been down gauged to 333.......

Now back in the real world, it maybe worth giving a 738 a go PER-SIN early morning and SIN-PER early evening (basically the same flight times as before). If they could ensure one on the later 738 with the in seat entertainment operated the route it would still be a big step up over 3K and only second to SQ.

 

[Sethor]

If QF had an "excess" A330, they'd use it to retire a 767 or 747.

Don't think there is many 747 routes which can be replaced by a A330 anymore, maybe SYD-NRT which is only 3-4 days & SYD-HKG.

 

[bobe]

Great news if it happens,at lot of comments about the A 737, can't remember flying on one , what seems to be the problem ? Is it comfort with the seating very close together? Flew Jetstar Asia recently from Sin-coughet can't remember what plane it was but the seats were on top of each other?

 

[JessicaTam]

Great news if it happens,at lot of comments about the A 737, can't remember flying on one , what seems to be the problem ? Is it comfort with the seating very close together? Flew Jetstar Asia recently from Sin-coughet can't remember what plane it was but the seats were on top of each other?

SIN-HKT is most likely an A320. Single aisle and very squeezy.

The B737-800 is also single aisle, whereas the A330 is a widebody.

 

[mannej]

Great news if it happens,at lot of comments about the A 737, can't remember flying on one , what seems to be the problem ? Is it comfort with the seating very close together? Flew Jetstar Asia recently from Sin-coughet can't remember what plane it was but the seats were on top of each other?

The B737 is quite tight in Y, and is a narrow body aircraft. J features a recliner seat similar to the domestic A330 seat.

 

[milehighclub]

I doubt crew hours would allow a same day return- it would be, what 4.5 hours flight time each way? With the turnaround it would be an 11+ hour day- I'm pretty sure the unions have ensured that won't happen.

Qantas operates some of the longest flights in the world. 11 hours is nothing. QF crew used to operate to PER as a return from SIN all the time. Even though it would be short haul crew on a 737, the trip could still be done as a return, but in my opinion for various other reasons, they would most likely overnight if it was to happen.

 

[wandering_fred]

Guilty to creating a newer thread under the misguided opinion that it belonged in the QFF area.

As that thread will quickly die - and merge seems unlikely - here is what I said :shock::mrgreen: there

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I received a couple of online survey requests from QF a few months ago. I made some very strong comments on the timings of 3K versus the QF flights PER-SIN and asked how given the base of OneWorld code shares on the QF flights they could have "lost" the flight.

The discussion on airliners.net Qantas Tips Relaunch Of Perth-Singapore Flights — Civil Aviation Forum | Airliners.net is in full swing for those wanting the truly speculative options.

exPER I would settle for a morning flight designed to connect (3K/MH/UL/CX) to SE Asia and a late afternoon flight designed to arrive in SIN at a reasonable hotel check in time and to connect with long haul flights (BA/AY/JL) And maybe thinking about 3K connecting SIN-PEK?

exSIN a morning flight avoiding a crack of dawn trip to the airport (the old timing of 0900 ??) and a post work time flight that gets into PER before midnight.

Whatever the option, through checking of luggage to 3K (and OW partners ) should be mandatory. As with 3K in Asia when connecting to QF in SIN.

And how about timing the afternoon flight (or even using the same aircraft) to permit ADL-PER-SIN. Ditto for the morning flight exSIN.

Happy wandering

Fred

 

[JessicaTam]

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And how about timing the afternoon flight (or even using the same aircraft) to permit ADL-PER-SIN. Ditto for the morning flight exSIN.

Happy wandering

Fred

A tag flight like that would be a great opportunity to visit the ADL F lounge - oh wait...

 

[mannej]

A tag flight like that would be a great opportunity to visit the ADL F lounge - oh wait...

Or even better, the PER F lounge!

 

[kamchatsky]

Maybe it is EK doing SIN-PER, with QF code-share with it.