QF Cash - Earn Rates Changing from 01 July 2017

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From today's newsletter, QF Cash is being 'enhanced'. Effective from 01 July 2017.

Domestic earn is now almost non existent. International earn will be better than before. Too bad about the really poor FX rates.

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I only ever used mine overseas though it is disappointing that they cut the earn rate for spend in AUD. $0.25 per dollar is very poor when you can get over 1 point per dollar with some Credit Cards.
 
I realise this is positioned as a travel money card, with all its various currencies, but they were providing a great service to the many Australians who couldn't get a credit card, thus no points on domestic shopping. I really do believe they would have increased their market share had they increased the earn rate domestically, instead of reducing it. Clearly, they didn't want to pay for the points, and have followed the same route that Woolworths took... how did that work out for that company?

Way to squander your position.
 
This is disappointing for individuals who do not wish to use a credit card and the QF Cash card was a simple way to earn a reasonable amount of points domestically.
 
I can see how they can affor dot increase the international points earn. Just had a look at their "sale" rates currently on offer and they are bordering on criminal. They must be making mega $ off this scam.
 
Yeah my wife was struggling to believe me when I explained that these travel cards are, on the whole, worse than simply using your normal card. And that actively converting currency ahead of time is likely going to lose out compared to just paying the instant transfer tax unless you have a really good idea what you plan to spend (not so likely when you spend only a few days on each currency). And that even on your normal card they take an extra 3% and you have no real idea what the FOREX rate will be until later.

Even as someone relatively informed it's hard to figure out.. so I guess they are doing a good job.


My assumption would be that these changes are because probably more people were using them domestically than they imagined and they probably want to push people onto CC products.
 
My assumption would be that these changes are because probably more people were using them domestically than they imagined and they probably want to push people onto CC products.

My assumption is that it's due to the RBA reforms to credit card interchange rates.
 
As others have said the FX rate on this product is very poor so this never interested me at all from an overseas spend option. Too many other far better and cheaper ways to get FX. I think I used it once when they had a load and spend $X domestically and get X,000pts bonus. Never used it since.
 
My assumption would be that these changes are because probably more people were using them domestically than they imagined and they probably want to push people onto CC products.

Thing is though, quite a lot of people don't meet the requirements for a CC and if you offered them the ability to spend and get nothing back (their current bank) or load and spend and get some points back for anything from a toaster to a flight (Qantas Cash), they would surely choose Qantas Cash. Make it even more attractive than it already was (from 0 points to 0.5 points to perhaps 0.75 points) and perhaps the loaded value that they get to 'play with' could really enable them to do interesting things.

For over a year I couldn't apply for a credit card. I could have continued using my regular bank and earning 0 points, but instead chose to load my Qantas Cash every week instead and made thousands of points. Even if I'd made just 1 point, it would have been better than sticking with my bank at the time.

Thus, I think reducing the earn rate for those who can't get a CC is a silly decision, as they should really be trying to attract those customers to use the product. Save some points, fly overseas, use and rely on the product even more.
 
Just checking that you now have/use/know about the citibank debit card for cash, and the coles/bankwest/28 degrees options for fx free foreign purchases?

Yeah my wife was struggling to believe me when I explained that these travel cards are, on the whole, worse than simply using your normal card. And that actively converting currency ahead of time is likely going to lose out compared to just paying the instant transfer tax unless you have a really good idea what you plan to spend (not so likely when you spend only a few days on each currency). And that even on your normal card they take an extra 3% and you have no real idea what the FOREX rate will be until later.

Even as someone relatively informed it's hard to figure out.. so I guess they are doing a good job.


My assumption would be that these changes are because probably more people were using them domestically than they imagined and they probably want to push people onto CC products.
 
This is disappointing for individuals who do not wish to use a credit card and the QF Cash card was a simple way to earn a reasonable amount of points domestically.

Whilst personally, I rarely used Qantas Cash for domestic spend ( due to the poor earn rates) I know from my previous experience working for one of the Large retailers that many everyday Australian consumers did use Qantas cash as a regular form of payment to slowly but surely increase their QFF point balance.

Life has just got a whole lot harder for many Australian consumers who either can't afford a credit card or who may not qualify for a credit card, who just want to save up enough QFF points for a domestic classic award flight once per year.

On a more positive note, the increase announced on Earn rates from Overseas spend is certainly welcomed, and this card may be quite a nice little earner considering the earn rates on other bank issued credit cards are about to be slashed. Lets hope the Forex rates don't worsen anymore.
 
Thanks for the tip, time to start dropping the funds in the Aud$ side of the QCC I think.
This is one of the times where VA's VGW wins, as it keeps (as far as we know) it current earn rates, as is the current QF's QCC rates, and expiry dates of cards can be between 3/4 years.
I think that VA is getting better all the time, and will outpass QF sooner or later.
Larger planes some time of the year from ADL to AKL, an international flight no less, compared to QF who feel that ADL is not worth having an international flight of its own fly out of.
 
Yeah my wife was struggling to believe me when I explained that these travel cards are, on the whole, worse than simply using your normal card. And that actively converting currency ahead of time is likely going to lose out compared to just paying the instant transfer tax unless you have a really good idea what you plan to spend (not so likely when you spend only a few days on each currency). And that even on your normal card they take an extra 3% and you have no real idea what the FOREX rate will be until later.

Even as someone relatively informed it's hard to figure out.. so I guess they are doing a good job.

My assumption would be that these changes are because probably more people were using them domestically than they imagined and they probably want to push people onto CC products.

I think this is a fair summary. I've been travelling OS for 8 months now, using a mix of cards, credit and travellers, and am quite stunned at the appalling lack of value on the pre-paid travellers cards. It's mostly the rip-off exchange rate - it varies from currency to currency with USD the best, but in general you are looking at at least 4% and sometimes 6%, above the wholesale exchange rate.

The banks travel cards pocket this, and then charge you fixed ATM fees everywhere, on top of the fees from the local banks. (The worst was Santander in Brazil, whose ATM fee was almost 10% of the maximum withdrawal (20 on 200 Real)).

What the Q card has going for it is not its ForeX rate, which is microscopically better than most banks, but the fact that you get 1 point per $ spent OS, which marginally compensates for the ForeX rip-off.

Having used credit cards, bank travel cards and the Q travel card, I've come to the unescapable conclusion that the Citibank 28 degree card (which has no account fees and earns no points) is far better value because it charges no ForEx fees and gives a consistently better exchange rate.
I'm finding it saving around 3% on every transaction. FFlyer points on other cards rarely give more than 1% - but then you have to pay the bank's card fees. In addition, a bank like the Commonwealth charges you $30.00 a year to connect your card to the Q Fflyer scheme. Translating that fee into to points, you'd need to spend $3000 to earn earn enough points just to pay for linking your card to Qantas.

As a frequent flyer, of course I like to earn points, but always remember - you don't get nothing for nothing.
 
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Does the Citibank card let you lock in exchange rates? No. So as always, the products are not the same.
 
Citibank 28 degree card (which has no account fees and earns no points)

For foreign currency transactions with no fee/commission including no annual fee, there's the Citibank Plus everyday/transaction account (Visa debit card), the 28 Degrees credit card (MasterCard) and also the Bankwest Zero Platinum credit card (MasterCard). None of those earn points.

a bank like the Commonwealth charges you $30.00 a year to connect your card to the Q Fflyer scheme. Translating that fee into to points, you'd need to spend $3000 to earn earn enough points just to pay for linking your card to Qantas.

The break-even spend amount depends on your valuation of points, but yes the fee(s) has to be offset by a certain amount before you can effectively begin to earn a single point. Some value at higher or much higher than 1c per point, others lower.
 
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