Qantas unveils the biggest changes to status in program history

Is the soft landing from Platinum to Gold guaranteed?
If so I see the points increase in retention as an incentive to soft landing to gold for a year before going hard (with DSC) in the first 6 months of your new membership year.

Membership year 1: no status for 6 months but doesn’t matter as you are mainly flying business on DSC then Platinum for the remaining 6 months

Membership year 2: Platinum with no chasing SC

Membership year 3: Gold with no chasing SC

Membership year 4: chase SC hard for first 6 month….etc etc
 
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They have ignored the wish list from many AFF members:

To reduce LTP target to a more realistic threshold.
Give LTG a 700 SC head start each year
Take away all options to earn SC on the ground

Though to be fair I don’t think any of those were that likely to happen.

They of course just wanted a portfolio of feedback they could pull from to cite where it suited their plans and gauge the strength of backlash where it didn't to decide if they needed to tweak. It was never about actually designing the plans in response to that feedback. Then again, I'm a cynic (imagine).

I also can't help but feel VA's obliteration of Velocity helped enable this, so I blame VA for the negative parts of this I don't like, too. This is VA's fault. 😉 (Yes, BA and others but in terms of the local market, hard to imagine with the timing that VA so brutally demotivating their own members didn't help set the stage for this. The beatings will continue until morale improves.)
 
After reading through some of the thread and the fine details from Q, I feel My personal experience as some one who generally just scrapes in to WP is that the changes will be a little worse. I generally earn ~1000 sc from flying and get a little help from the loyalty bonus or the odd DSC to get me over the 1200 threshold.
This year however has seen my highest total for some time and I probably will finish a little over 1400 thanks to earn on the ground and three DSC promos that happened to coincide with my bookings.

As my bookings are short notice therefore more expensive I feel that I am paying a lot more than some on this forum to earn my 1200. Controversial to many on here, some form of SC earn based on spend for flights would in some way be 'fairer'

Re the retirement of points club: I actually found the scheme quite simple and easy to understand.

Qantas says this based on feed back from members. I certainly did not get asked and I most likely would have told them to leave it as it is save for perhaps some matrix between $$$ spent on flight and distance traveled.


I do agree something needed to be done with the platinum tier from 1200 to 1400. The first class lounges in Sydney and Singapore are always packed and overrun whenever we go. The first class lounge in Sydney also needs a total refurbishment it’s so worn from the tables to the bathrooms.
The crowding may be true, but I do feel that my domestic slogging around on overpriced economy fares deserves my once or so annual visit to an F lounge. :cool:
 
They have ignored the wish list from many AFF members:
Would have said that was more a wet dream list.

Personally as someone on 19k SC but lower work travel the new banked platinum doesn't really excite me - it's still a long way away.

Arguably they might have made some of the early ones 5k and not backdated things.
 
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I would have thought the opposite.

By increasing retain thresholds and removing a lot of free/cheap/easy ways to gain extra SCs (loyalty bonuses, PCP rollover, etc), they have committed themselves to retaining DSC offers for the foreseeable future to maintain the ranks.

If they also stopped DSC offers, their elite numbers would crash, which would be terrible from a Loyalty perspective as these people will have been released from the golden handcuffs.
I might be naive, but I thought the main reason for DSCs was boosting sales. It’s just a different kind of sale.
 
Thinking about the new LT targets, I don't actually think it'll actually be a carrot on the stick. It's nice but if you're working your way up, I'm not sure it'll truly incentives you.

At 10k for 1 year, but if we assume on average WP are 2k, thats basically 5 years for 1 free year. Not bad but hardly a huge carrot on the stick.

I agree. I will hit one of those LT targets in the next few years, and wll no doubt claim the WP period. But under my current travel load, the next LT target will be 6-9years afterwards, I'm not sure I even want to be flying regularly by then..
 
I agree. I will hit one of those LT targets in the next few years, and wll no doubt claim the WP period. But under my current travel load, the next LT target will be 6-9years afterwards, I'm not sure I even want to be flying regularly by then..
I find it as "it's nice" but not something you would actively want to achieve.

Need to send QF loyalty people to play some mobile games. Now those know how to get people hooked and engaged with achievements and spend money....
 
I find it as "it's nice" but not something you would actively want to achieve.
Agreed. I suspect the main aim is to give LTG members pause for thought when it comes to straying across to other programs and alliances. They don't want to be too generous, but at the same time, they're trying to amend the status quo of "I've hit LTG but have zero chance of ever reaching LTP, so why bother doing anything with more with QF?"
 
Agreed. I suspect the main aim is to give LTG members pause for thought when it comes to straying across to other programs and alliances. They don't want to be too generous, but at the same time, they're trying to amend the status quo of "I've hit LTG but have zero chance of ever reaching LTP, so why bother doing anything with more with QF?"
Im surprised more than anything that they reviewed the program and thinks LTP is at an ok spot of 5x LTG. AA 4mm is only 2x or 2mm for their lifetime Plat Pro (OWE) and there's tiers above that as well.

75k feels like it should've been LTP1 in all honesty with LTP in-between
 
Agree - not that i'll ever get 50% of the way there as started this game too late
What makes it worse is that for many of us, we see 75K for LTP as being largely unattainable despite the fact that we know how to exploit DSC promos etc to maximise our earn. So how much more unattainable is it for the average punter plodding along with average SC earn?? It's so far away from being remotely "aspirational" that it's just plain "fantasy".
 
Changes? Meh.

As a lifetime bronze (yeah I made that up) there's nothing here to excite.
What affects me is the scrapping of PC but only to a minor degree.

Once in a while, we may earn sufficient points on the ground via credit cards to hit Points Club & they'd give us 2 lounge passes. While we could've used them recently if the SYD lounge refurb wasn't underway - the fact of the refurb means that we weren't allowed to link them to our Y flight. 😞

I'd suspect I'm one of the larger, typical cohort among the 15 million QFF members. Bronze, sufficient points to book the elusive J when/if they become available but usually just go Y ideally on CR but regretfully might just book CR+ if that's the only option.

Move on, nothing to see here.
 
but regretfully might just book CR+ if that's the only option.
Jim Carrey Omg GIF
 
Being subjective these changes can be made due to absolute domination of Qantas in Australia. Pair this announcement with the recent increase in FF seat redemption costs and it is a deval across the board pure and simple.

Yes Qantas is a business and very profitable one, but more competition would make these changes much harder to announce with a straight face.

2026 - the year Qantas took 'enhancements' to a whole new level.
 
I'm one who used to be somewhat of an international road warrior, but work travel dried up at the start of 2020 for quite obvious reasons while in my former job, and I've been a self-funded WP since then. I've been LTG for a couple of years now, and am about to requalify PC+ for the 3rd or maybe 4th year. I've been PC since launch. I've held GT since launch. Current role is again a global one, but not expecting the need to travel much, so most of my SCs will still need to come from my own spend, or the stuff I can do on the ground.

Having thought a while about what's changing - here's how I'm feeling about it:
  • Earning Status Credits on the ground - same as the promotion that was recently run, and similar, though smaller promotions that have run in the past (BP?). I would be able to complete all categories on this if push came to shove, but generally don't want to bother with unnecessary insurance (Neutral 🟰)

  • Status Credit roll over - since the pandemic, I have worked quite hard to maintain WP each year (with wife & son in tow), but this relies on a mix of paid J fares, classic U reward SCs, GT SCs, Loyalty bonuses, PC+ rollover SCs and whatever happens on the ground or is gifted by QFF to hit it. I rarely have a surplus of SCs, and it's even less likely with tier goalposts moving to 1,400 (No benefit likely ❌)

  • More lifetime milestones - I reached LTG in 2024, but am unsure as to whether I will continue to fly enough with QF after these changes are bedded in and the PC+ benefits are gone to reach any of the additional milestones. I've been the very definition of a rusted-on customer, but changes like the ones announced are likely to be a bit like WD-40 for some of us in that category... (No benefit likely ❌)

  • Enhanced tier benefits - may serve to replace some of what is lost from PC/PC+, but not yet known (Neutral 🟰)

  • Removing program complexity - the loss of the PC+ 100 SCs carryover will sting, as will the lesser removal of GT's 50 SCs. Vouchers and discounts have been of benefit to us. Targeted points and SC promos have been valuable, and though there is rumours of a replacement for being able to earn SCs on CRs, the idea of this getting the axe is highly disappointing (Double Negative ❌❌)

  • Single Status Credit targets - needing to find another 200 SCs on top of making up for at least one Loyalty Bonus a year, the PC+ rollover, GT SCs and potential ability to earn SCs from CRs means this is particularly painful. I estimate I'll need to make up an extra 500-600 SCs a year (mercifully though, halved with DSCs) (Negative ❌)

  • An improved digital experience - Let's just say my hopes are not high that this will improve anything for those that already know how to use the system and associated tools/options. The issue for me has always been around what inventory is actually available, not how it is presented, and this is not going to change that. Maybe good for the new players (Neutral 🟰)
So, it's not looking too great for me and QFF going forwards. I'd say the only benefit might be that with it becoming harder for the vast majority to retain status (in stark contrast to the messaging about it becoming easier :D), that the F & DOM J lounges and other premium benefits might be less in-demand, and that may have a positive effect. Perhaps, if QF & QFF are more profitable as a result of these income-focused variations they may also reinvest some more into the upgrades and features that are desired (like the AKL premium dining area). but these things are all speculative, of course.

I'll continue to fly and credit QFF for now, targeting WP status and it's benefits for as long as it can be achieved without a material change in investment, but once that becomes apparent (no later than 2028 for me, I'd say), we expect that we'll only use QF for DOM & Trans-Tasman services (because it's a big no for us to VA and the majority of NZ options), and will move to best value J with any number of competitors for anything further afield.

Cheers,
Matt.
 
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these changes can be made due to absolute domination of Qantas in Australia. .. more competition would make these changes much harder to announce with a straight face.

Indeed, as humorously commented above, the CR+ announcement last year was the deval icing on the cake. I've made this comment elsewhere and I'll do it again here...the more QF devalue QFF the more pissed off members become. The more members allow their points to lapse & just forget about it.

The more QF enhance the QFF scheme, improve customer service (and under VH I must say this is getting better), more CR seats and scrap the silly CR+, newer fleet (again, Hudson seems to be moving in the right direction), the more bums on seats and the more profitable the airline would become. And become an airline that Aussies are proud to call their own. I know they announced good profits recently but much of that would surely go to offsetting the debacle that Joyce left.

Still some way to go. Anyway, getting a bit OT here.
 

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