Qantas responds to Germanwings incident

[Standby]

In the Qantas news section of Qantas .com,posted today ,QF announce 2 person in coughpit rule will apply from tomorrow.

 

[Red Roo]

Here are the relevant links for your reference:

QANTAS GROUP STATEMENT ON coughPIT ACCESS

and

STATEMENT ON AVIATION SAFETY

 

[sumthinfornuthin]

Here are the relevant links for your reference:

QANTAS GROUP STATEMENT ON coughPIT ACCESS

and

STATEMENT ON AVIATION SAFETY

Will be cramped with three then other person leaving !
Still think flying is safer than driving !!!!

 

[AustraliaPoochie]

Was on a 320 flown by (A)NZ a few years ago, was in 2a, and noticed the flight door open, and a crew member went to the loo.
This was during flight.
Umm, so this means not even any chances of anyone ever occupying the "jump seat", must say though, do they still let any "trusted" person use the "jump seat" post Sept 11 while the plane is in the air.
Didn't the 767 became modified so that there was no flight officer required?
Within Aust, the (A)NZ 767 is the only one aeroplane that "used" to have a flight officer.
Will flight fares go up, because now there must be three up there, instead of two, meaning more wages to pay, etc?

 

[crum]

Umm, so this means not even any chances of anyone ever occupying the "jump seat", must say though, do they still let any "trusted" person use the "jump seat" post Sept 11 while the plane is in the air.

I had a jump seat take off in an A320 as late as September last year...a case of who you know, however, I still was quite surprised to be invited up for that in the post Sept 11 period.

ps... Red Roo, it was not QF or JQ

 

[milehighclub]

Was on a 320 flown by (A)NZ a few years ago, was in 2a, and noticed the flight door open, and a crew member went to the loo.
This was during flight.
Umm, so this means not even any chances of anyone ever occupying the "jump seat", must say though, do they still let any "trusted" person use the "jump seat" post Sept 11 while the plane is in the air.
Didn't the 767 became modified so that there was no flight officer required?
Within Aust, the (A)NZ 767 is the only one aeroplane that "used" to have a flight officer.
Will flight fares go up, because now there must be three up there, instead of two, meaning more wages to pay, etc?

A flight attendant simply goes up whilst one of the pilots is not in the flight deck. There is no need for extra pilots or flight attendants.

The jumpseat can still be used by authorized persons.

 

[RooFlyer]

I had a jump seat take off in an A320 as late as September last year...a case of who you know, however, I still was quite surprised to be invited up for that in the post Sept 11 period.

ps... Red Roo, it was not QF or JQ

Getting O/T but still ... Only a year or so ago I was on an international flight on a mainstream Asian airline and hovering near the forward toilet on 777 (ie between the aircraft entry door and the coughpit) waiting my turn.

The guy came out of the toilet (he was dressed normally - not uniform - and too old to be a current pilot), but turned left, rather than going past me to his seat. He knocked on the coughpit door then stood looking at the camera. A few seconds later, he was admitted. The coughpit door was wide open with me standing just a metre or so away. None of the FAs in the adjacent galley batted an eyelid let alone tried to shoo me away when the coughpit door was open.

 

[ajw373]

Within Aust, the (A)NZ 767 is the only one aeroplane that "used" to have a flight officer.

No, not right at all. The 767 is, and always has been a 2 crew aircraft. Ansett however did have some modifications done to include a flight engineer, but only to appease the unions not for any genuine operational concerns.

 

[esseeeayeenn]

Getting O/T but still ... Only a year or so ago I was on an international flight on a mainstream Asian airline and hovering near the forward toilet on 777 (ie between the aircraft entry door and the coughpit) waiting my turn.

The guy came out of the toilet (he was dressed normally - not uniform - and too old to be a current pilot), but turned left, rather than going past me to his seat. He knocked on the coughpit door then stood looking at the camera. A few seconds later, he was admitted. The coughpit door was wide open with me standing just a metre or so away. None of the FAs in the adjacent galley batted an eyelid let alone tried to shoo me away when the coughpit door was open.

Off duty crew are sometimes permitted to sit in jump seats, at the discretion of the captain.
Sometimes this is to accomodate them on an ID standby ticket when the flight would otherwise be full.
On the Australian airline I am most familiar with they would, however, need to be in uniform.
Other airlines might have different policies.

 

[RooFlyer]

Fair 'nuf, but this was a guy clearly in his 60s or later. I assumed he was family ( father?) of one of the pilots.

And to have me a metre or so from a wide open coughpit door, with nothing in the way, was kinda weird.

 

[Daver6]

I noticed on my recent VA flights to DPS then when one of the pilots was out of the coughpit that a member of the cabin crew would stand guard at the front of J, not allowing anyone forward. This was a 738. I'd never seen this kind of thing happen before. This was about a month ago. This happened on both the flight there and return.

Any idea what that is about?

 

[Virgin Bart]

I noticed on my recent VA flights to DPS then when one of the pilots was out of the coughpit that a member of the cabin crew would stand guard at the front of J, not allowing anyone forward. This was a 738. I'd never seen this kind of thing happen before. This was about a month ago. This happened on both the flight there and return.

Any idea what that is about?

SOP for over a year now.

 

[esseeeayeenn]

On VA, it hasn't been on QF.

 

[Quickstatus]

I have seen one of the following when one pilot comes out of coughpit depending on aircraft: (in the US)

one cabin crew goes into coughpit

trolley used to block access to the coughpit door

cabin crew sits in seat which folds down in front of coughpit door.

 

[Himeno]

SOP for over a year now.

US airlines have been doing that (with a galley cart blocking the aisle) for 13 years.

 

[AustraliaPoochie]

Rooflyer, now that would indeed be a sight to behold, espcially for a person like me who is nuts on planes, but post Sept 11 and all that jazz, would not have a chance to see the sky from the coughpit while in flight.
Se La Vie I guess, just my luck.
Its always the mad or bad that give us non threat flyers a bad name, ie, do not trust anyone who is not a "friend" of "someone" in the know!
When Adelaide Airport (the new terminal) first had its open day many years ago, I had the chance to go into the coughpit while the 737 was on the ground.
I am a bit taller, not realising that the buttons and knobs of the 737 are not at all high, so when I walked into the coughpit, I accidentally must have hit something with my head!
Had a look but was shooes away like a stray cat about to pee on a car tyre!
Didnt know you or anyone entering, has to sort of keep head lower, ie, bow, or not stand their full height.

 

[Daver6]

SOP for over a year now.

Still a bit confused as to what exactly that's meant to achieve though? A slightly built female is not going to present much of an obstacle to a larger determined male to get past her. However, assuming he did, then what? The coughpit is still secure. So what is the point of that procedure? I'm sure there is one if they do it though.

 

[jackthomas]

Still a bit confused as to what exactly that's meant to achieve though? A slightly built female is not going to present much of an obstacle to a larger determined male to get past her. However, assuming he did, then what? The coughpit is still secure. So what is the point of that procedure? I'm sure there is one if they do it though.

I'd say its much more the intimidating nature or it being blocked off, rather than actual defence... More preventative than defensive..
That being said, I have absolutely no idea so I could be completely off the mark haha

 

[RooFlyer]

Still a bit confused as to what exactly that's meant to achieve though? A slightly built female is not going to present much of an obstacle to a larger determined male to get past her. However, assuming he did, then what? The coughpit is still secure. So what is the point of that procedure? I'm sure there is one if they do it though.

From my observations, the trolley goes across before the coughpit door is first opened and isn't cleared until the coughpit member returns and the door closes for the second time. It would give an additional second or two in the event of a charge up the aisle towards an open coughpit door.

 

[BAM1748]

Although the subject line says QF responds, I think they were directed to act rather than this being their own initiative.

Matt