Qantas Project Sunrise goes ahead, 12 new A350-1000s ordered

supersonic said:
The A330 was always intended for shorter int flights.
It used to have 2 loos for J: Joyce removed one (just as he cut the number on the A380): he probably said this was based on customer feedback i.e. we didn't need loos on long haul flights.
I agree that any one of the items I listed is not a reason to change airlines or routes but it is the overall package that makes the difference.
As the the QF schedule (apart from no longer flying to/from MEL) the very early morning arrival at LHR and on flights to AU via SIN is really bad for jet lag. QF has 2 slots with jet lag- friendly arrival times but do not use most of them (the QF10 is the only good slot they use). Other airlines offer really good arrival times for jet lag, an important reason to not fly QF.
I know the cabin crew are ambarrassed to be working on these aircraft they are so far below par.
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The beautiful thing about options is you don't need to fly QF... Or EK... Or any other airline that does not meet your needs, standards or has annoyed you at some point.
 
Quickstatus said:
it is not a hub anymore when every town is a hub.
Maybe if Adelaide triples its population but Melbourne is already 5.5Mil
In the meantime...
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What's that got to do with the conversation?

Point was PER went from zero international services to being a full international hub.

The "QF doesn't care about MEL" comments are almost identical to the comments about PER a decade ago.

Things can and do change.
 
According to aerolola the business class seats are 21 inches wide in the a380 and ‘only’ 20 inches wide on the a330. Bed length is the same in both at 80 inches.

I guess there’s more sense if space on the a380 with the side bins.
 
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justinbrett said:
What's that got to do with the conversation?
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Well for one, the town has to be big enough to be a hub (apart from the geographical position). For example, ASP is never going to be a hub

I would not say that PER is a global hub either.
It is mainly a point to point origin/destination with a few connections from the eastern cities. ADLas a hub does not make sense if PER,MEL and SYD are hubs.
 
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Quickstatus said:
Well for one, the town has to be big enough to be a hub (apart from the geographical position). For example, ASP is never going to be a hub

I would not say that PER is a global hub either.
It is mainly a point to point origin/destination with a few connections from the eastern cities. ADLas a hub does not make sense if PER,MEL and SYD are hubs.
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Back in the days of QF Link 146s and 717s, QF used to do a great scissor hub out of ASP connecting lots of regional cities with the most direct route through the red centre, was great!
 
justinbrett said:
What's that got to do with the conversation?

Point was PER went from zero international services to being a full international hub.

The "QF doesn't care about MEL" comments are almost identical to the comments about PER a decade ago.

Things can and do change.
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Qantas has had many years to cement Melbourne as an alternative hub but has failed to do so.

It remains 'Air Sydney' even though (depending on where statistical boundaries are drawn) Melbourne is on track to exceed Sydney's population in a few short years.

Sydney with its strengths in finance and investments is Australia's only 'international city' but it's hard to believe there isn't a substantial reservoir of wealth in Melbourne that would support numerous premium class seats each day and ensure yields were sufficiently attractive. One only has to look at the success of SQ ex MEL (excellent occupied seat percentages, five daily flights each way) and (while probably still affected by the Iran-USA/Israel war) EK and QR, plus a plethora of other Asian carriers such as CX to see how treating Melbourne with the respect it deserves pays dividends for airlines.
 
SYD said:
What’s wrong with an A330? If seated in whY, I’d take that over an A380 or B787. J is essentially identical.

Obviously no PE or F.
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No PE and no F and a smaller plane likely means upgrades harder to come by and a very poor experience to book PE or F and be in a lower cabin for the A330 leg as no PE or F.
 
At least MEL sees a lot more QF services than BCN does with IB (domestic only basically) or MAN does with London Airways (BA - LHR only) 🤣.

If it weren’t for QFF points probably less concern about the level of QF service from MEL. MEL is served very well by SQ, EK, CX, MH, TG,, ,NZ, QR and even to a lesser extent by UA, AI and LN. QF perhaps is just one of many choices for international flights and that’s the way they even see it themselves it seems.
 
I think that's also part of the reason they prefer SYD as the more profitable option to concentrate on with a limited fleet of ULH aircraft. SYD's slot constrained with a curfew, which limits competition. Similarly BA has the same advantage at LHR.
 

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