Qantas goes daily to JNB

[markis10]

Daily Flights to Africa 17 August 2010
Qantas is pleased to now offer a daily service from Sydney to Johannesburg with the introduction of an additional Boeing 747 service on Tuesdays, adding another 210 seats per week and more than 10,920 seats per year from 21 September 2010.

Onward connections are available with our partner airlines to:

Cape Town, Durban, Port Elizabeth, Richards Bay, East London,Margate, Kimberley, Bloemfontein, Pietermaritzburg, Bulawayo,Gaborone, Harare, Lilongue, Lusaka,Livingstone, Victoria Falls, Windhoek, Walvis Bay, Nairobi, Lagos, Mauritius, Luanda, Accra, Dar es Salaam and Nelspruit (Kruger National Park).

 

[anat0l]

A Boeing 747-400 fits far more than 210 pax (even in the 4-class config; even more than 210 in the 2-class config, with the latter more likely the selected aircraft type than the former).

How does this add only 210 seats per week? Unless they do not sell these aircraft completely full and/or they are downsizing some aircraft on the other days which offsets why the 'additional' seats are not higher in number.

Truth be told I didn't know that QF services to/from JNB were not daily before. In any case, this route will soon become 2 or 3 class when the 747s have F removed / replaced with 3 class 388s.

 

[docjames]

Daily Flights to Africa 17 August 2010
Qantas is pleased to now offer a daily service from Sydney to Johannesburg with the introduction of an additional Boeing 747 service on Tuesdays, adding another 210 seats per week and more than 10,920 seats per year from 21 September 2010.

Onward connections are available with our partner airlines to:

Cape Town, Durban, Port Elizabeth, Richards Bay, East London,Margate, Kimberley, Bloemfontein, Pietermaritzburg, Bulawayo,Gaborone, Harare, Lilongue, Lusaka,Livingstone, Victoria Falls, Windhoek, Walvis Bay, Nairobi, Lagos, Mauritius, Luanda, Accra, Dar es Salaam and Nelspruit (Kruger National Park).

Source? I cant find on qantas.com

And there's something funny with the numbers. Perhaps QF have government approval for a certain number per week, so it'll be 6xcurrent744 pax numbers + 210. So they either be flexible on numbers juggling loadings, or send each flight out at less than max capacity and average the allowance through the week. Perhaps previsouly it was thought easier to send 6 at max capacity than do 7.

Perhaps we have VAustralia's presence on MEL-JNB to thank? You'd think it would have been put up to 7/wk before the World Cup.....

 

[dajop]

How does this add only 210 seats per week?

The only thing I could think of, perhaps, the remainder are allocated to SA to sell as codeshare seats?

 

[anat0l]

The only thing I could think of, perhaps, the remainder are allocated to SA to sell as codeshare seats?

Hmmm.... didn't think about that - quite a fair possibility there.

 

[Sprucegoose]

The only thing I could think of, perhaps, the remainder are allocated to SA to sell as codeshare seats?

correct. has been a codeshare for sometime. I know that SAA only had two F seats though for sale.

 

[docjames]

Well, according to goverment website

http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/aviation/international/files/NS_2010_TT_Summary.pdf

QF currently offer 2118 (=6x353) so adding 210 would bring that to 2328. So either they spread the remainder around seven flights (meaning 332/333 pax per flight), or send one @ 210 max. Note the document doesnt specify max amount of pax allowed but it would seem that 2328 might be the answer. They may elect to go with less pax and substitute pax for freight to maximise payload anyway.


FWIW SAA offer 2219 spread over 7 days (317 on the A340) PER-JNB.
and VA offer 722 (two flights). Note they recently announced an increase in MEL-JNB flights.

The codeshare numbers are included in the operating carrier numbers.

There's also a nice list of freight routes. Here's QF's allocations

A)

1 B74F BKK‐PVG‐ANC‐ORD

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1 B74F JFK‐LAX‐HNL‐SYD

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B) ​

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1 B74F JFK‐ORD‐HNL‐AKL‐MEL

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1 B74F JFK‐ORD‐HNL‐SYD

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A) ​

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1 B74Y MEL‐SIN‐SYD

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A) ​

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1 B74F ORD‐DFW‐HNL‐SYD

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A) ​

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1 B74F ORD‐TOL‐HNL‐SYD

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B) ​

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1 B74F SYD‐AKL vv

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B) ​

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4 B763 SYD‐AKL‐CHC‐SYD

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A) ​

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1 B74F SYD‐BKK‐PVG‐ANC‐ORD

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A) ​

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1 B74F SYD‐HKG vv

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A) ​

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2 B74F SYD‐PVG vv

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A) ​

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2 B74F SYD‐PVG‐ANC‐JFK

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A) ​

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1 B74F SYD‐SGN‐PVG‐ANC‐JFK

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TOTAL 13 in / 11 out
A) AIRCRAFT WET​

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‐LEASED FROM ATLAS​

B) AIRCRAFT WET‐LEASED FROM ATI

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[dajop]

The codeshare numbers are included in the operating carrier numbers.

If that is the case then the 210 number may not be inconsistent, if the 210 represents what QF may be selling to the market.

 

[markis10]

Source? I cant find on qantas.com

http://www.qantas.com.au/agents/dyn/qf/policies/AfricaSchFlyer160810.pdf

 

[anat0l]

Here's another cracker: can anyone explain why the flight timing on Tuesdays is 10 minutes different to all other days?

 

[docjames]

Here's another cracker: can anyone explain why the flight timing on Tuesdays is 10 minutes different to all other days?

Weird. Landing slot in JNB? Inbound aircraft later on Tuesday? Less wind on a Tuesday p)?


Thanks for the link markis10.

 

[kamchatsky]

Here's another cracker: can anyone explain why the flight timing on Tuesdays is 10 minutes different to all other days?

Different plane types? different speeds?!

 

[Jasecoop]

Bring on more V Australia flights, 2 days a week isnt enough! I fly to joburg almost every month and would be good to have a change (excluding SAA, not that much of a change). I thought also that QF were 7 days a week but then again I travel on weekends

 

[markis10]

Bring on more V Australia flights, 2 days a week isnt enough! I fly to joburg almost every month and would be good to have a change (excluding SAA, not that much of a change). I thought also that QF were 7 days a week but then again I travel on weekends

They do have an extra service from Dec!

 

[Jasecoop]

They do have an extra service from Dec!

good one, sat flight will be handy