"oneworld" award (132.4K/249.6K/318K/455K) Planning - The Definitive Thread

Hi all,

Despite having managed to book a OWA this year and having an amazing time in Europe over Euro Summer - I am still a bit rusty after a few years on OWA and have a quick question.

I am in the process of working out next year's trip and it is mostly booked in :) I have some leeway I wanted to cram a couple of more internal Euro flights into. I am looking at flights from GVA-HEL on AY. In the booking engine AY1532 shows as operated by Nordic Regional Airlines. I think from memory that is a no-go right under the OWA rules? I understand you need to fly on OW carriers but I was just wanting to confirm if this would be allowed with a AY Flight Number.

Cheers.
 
Hi all,

Despite having managed to book a OWA this year and having an amazing time in Europe over Euro Summer - I am still a bit rusty after a few years on OWA and have a quick question.

I am in the process of working out next year's trip and it is mostly booked in :) I have some leeway I wanted to cram a couple of more internal Euro flights into. I am looking at flights from GVA-HEL on AY. In the booking engine AY1532 shows as operated by Nordic Regional Airlines. I think from memory that is a no-go right under the OWA rules? I understand you need to fly on OW carriers but I was just wanting to confirm if this would be allowed with a AY Flight Number.

Cheers.
Nordic Regional Airlines is a OW affiliate of Finnair so you can definitely use them as part of a OWA. We flew HEL - OSL with Nordic as part of our OWA just a few months ago. FWIW, the other Scandinavian airlines, Norwegian and SAS, are not OW affiliates so you can't use them for a OWA.
 
Nordic Regional Airlines is a OW affiliate of Finnair so you can definitely use them as part of a OWA. We flew HEL - OSL with Nordic as part of our OWA just a few months ago. FWIW, the other Scandinavian airlines, Norwegian and SAS, are not OW affiliates so you can't use them for a OWA.
Wow - that's great to know :) I have avoided their HEL-TLL flights for years not really looking into it. That really changes things for me knowing I will also now have TLL in play as well as HEL :) Thanks again.
 
Hi everyone has anyone seen HEL-SIN business class award seats ever,been looking for 2 weeks now,all I have seen is economy.Is there a certain time of day they get released?
 
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Similar question but I was expecting Qantas flights to restart to Rome .
That would be a great potential way to get back from Europe mid next year as there are currently no other offerings in business class.
I cannot find any direct revenue flights from February to June to/from Rome next year on QF metal.
Maybe they have not been released for the northern summer flying season or they did not make enough money and have been discontinued!
 
Hi everyone has anyone seen HEL-SIN business class award seats ever,been looking for 2 weeks now,all I have seen is economy.Is there a certain time of day they get released?
IME, that HEL - SIN direct route hasn't shown any J award seats for quite a while. I haven't looked at that route for a few months though. Pre covid AY were generally releasing J seats for multiple routes at around 60 days and 360 days for Y, but during the first 6-7 months of 2021 there were often J seats showing out to about 360 days, BUT that didn't seem to be the case for the HEL - SIN route where no J seats ever seemed to be available.

If you particularly want to get to SIN (as opposed to just using it as a transit point back to Oz) I think your best option would be to look for alternatives with airlines other than AY. Maybe via Tokyo with JL or via London or DOH with BA or QR
 
IME, that HEL - SIN direct route hasn't shown any J award seats for quite a while. I haven't looked at that route for a few months though. Pre covid AY were generally releasing J seats for multiple routes at around 60 days and 360 days for Y, but during the first 6-7 months of 2021 there were often J seats showing out to about 360 days, BUT that didn't seem to be the case for the HEL - SIN route where no J seats ever seemed to be available.

If you particularly want to get to SIN (as opposed to just using it as a transit point back to Oz) I think your best option would be to look for alternatives with airlines other than AY. Maybe via Tokyo with JL or via London or DOH with BA or QR
AY seems to have some flight umbers that never have J award availability. I remember looking at LHR-HEL - this route has four flights a day, two using EuroJ and two using long haul J. The EuroJ flights had seemingly unlimited award availability - the others had nothing.
 
Hi all, I'm currently in an ongoing saga re booking my 3rd business class Oneworld Award Fare. The latest of many issues, is ,I have received an e ticket I did not authorise. On this e ticket, the last leg of a 10 segment itinerary was never an option. That leg was meant to be business class. That award fare is no longer available and I have found a new route home.

This means that e ticketed last leg has to be removed and the new segments added.

I have been told that an existing ticket cannot be changed in that way and a new ticket with a different reference number needs to be issued for those last segments.

Am I right in believing all segments must under the one reference no. for it to qualify for 318000 points per person ?

Thanks in advance.
 
Hi all, I'm currently in an ongoing saga re booking my 3rd business class Oneworld Award Fare. The latest of many issues, is ,I have received an e ticket I did not authorise. On this e ticket, the last leg of a 10 segment itinerary was never an option. That leg was meant to be business class. That award fare is no longer available and I have found a new route home.

This means that e ticketed last leg has to be removed and the new segments added.

I have been told that an existing ticket cannot be changed in that way and a new ticket with a different reference number needs to be issued for those last segments.

Am I right in believing all segments must under the one reference no. for it to qualify for 318000 points per person ?

Thanks in advance.
You are right. HUACA until you get a South African agent.
 
Hi all, I'm currently in an ongoing saga re booking my 3rd business class Oneworld Award Fare. The latest of many issues, is ,I have received an e ticket I did not authorise. On this e ticket, the last leg of a 10 segment itinerary was never an option. That leg was meant to be business class. That award fare is no longer available and I have found a new route home.

This means that e ticketed last leg has to be removed and the new segments added.

I have been told that an existing ticket cannot be changed in that way and a new ticket with a different reference number needs to be issued for those last segments.

Am I right in believing all segments must under the one reference no. for it to qualify for 318000 points per person ?

Thanks in advance.
Yep call again. I have been told twice in the past week that you can't add additional flights to a booking once it has been ticketed! I don't have the heart to argue and if they don't know that, I don't really want that person playing around with my booking.

At least the call wait queues are a lot better these days - so HUACA.
 
You are right. HUACA until you get a South African agent.
Yes, unfortunately - playing ring a ring until you get SA is an excellent solution because the odds are significantly better that you will 1) get someone who comprehends what you are saying, 2) knows enough about OWA and ticketing generally and 3) cares enough to follow through.

However, I haven't always found them to be perfect and sometimes there is no guarantee you will get through. From memory - and this is hazy - I think the afternoon was best but someone maybe able to confirm that.

In two months of managing a OWA (fortunately booked prior to Sept 30) I have encountered every piece of wrong info (incl can't change a booking) . I even turned to alcohol it was so stressful at times. 😳

The only thing that got me through was just checking out how much I thought the person at the other end knew at every stage and how confident I was with their info. If it hadn't been for input from people such as Mr H I think the whole thing would have fallen in a heap.

In the last month alone there has been about 14 hours worth of calls out and then the callbacks after the line dropped out, from the people who actually DID call back.
So, patience, maybe a bit of alcohol or some other relaxant and self-education. And just hang up if you can tell plainly that they have no idea.
 
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IME, that HEL - SIN direct route hasn't shown any J award seats for quite a while. I haven't looked at that route for a few months though. Pre covid AY were generally releasing J seats for multiple routes at around 60 days and 360 days for Y, but during the first 6-7 months of 2021 there were often J seats showing out to about 360 days, BUT that didn't seem to be the case for the HEL - SIN route where no J seats ever seemed to be available.

If you particularly want to get to SIN (as opposed to just using it as a transit point back to Oz) I think your best option would be to look for alternatives with airlines other than AY. Maybe via Tokyo with JL or via London or DOH with BA or QR
Disappointing,I did notice heaps of business seats HEL-DEL,no love for SIN
 
IME, that HEL - SIN direct route hasn't shown any J award seats for quite a while. I haven't looked at that route for a few months though. Pre covid AY were generally releasing J seats for multiple routes at around 60 days and 360 days for Y, but during the first 6-7 months of 2021 there were often J seats showing out to about 360 days, BUT that didn't seem to be the case for the HEL - SIN route where no J seats ever seemed to be available.

If you particularly want to get to SIN (as opposed to just using it as a transit point back to Oz) I think your best option would be to look for alternatives with airlines other than AY. Maybe via Tokyo with JL or via London or DOH with BA or QR
Numerous reasons to transit in SIN,trying to dodge BA fare surcharge and taxes leaving London.
Thinking of a long pausing of award trip in SIN,coming home on velocitypoints,recommencing trip in 6 mths time get full vale 35000 miles.
Can you still get business on QR from London?
 
Yes, unfortunately - playing ring a ring until you get SA is an excellent solution because the odds are significantly better that you will 1) get someone who comprehends what you are saying, 2) knows enough about OWA and ticketing generally and 3) cares enough to follow through.

However, I haven't always found them to be perfect and sometimes there is no guarantee you will get through. From memory - and this is hazy - I think the afternoon was best but someone maybe able to confirm that.

In two months of managing a OWA (fortunately booked prior to Sept 30) I have encountered every piece of wrong info (incl can't change a booking) . I even turned to alcohol it was so stressful at times. 😳

The only thing that got me through was just checking out how much I thought the person at the other end knew at every stage and how confident I was with their info. If it hadn't been for input from people such as Mr H I think the whole thing would have fallen in a heap.

In the last month alone there has been about 14 hours worth of calls out and then the callbacks after the line dropped out, from the people who actually DID call back.
So, patience, maybe a bit of alcohol or some other relaxant and self-education. And just hang up if you can tell plainly that they have no idea.
Your experience and frustrations echo mine.

I have successfully had ticketed, 3 other Business class Oneworld Award Fares, totalling over 40 segments, so I've got a fair idea of what I'm doing.

It is now 8 days since I paid the monetary component and the points were deducted for the current addition to a fare ticketed in August. The points were deducted from my 1.5 million balance. The ANZ bank had the transaction sitting on my statement for 5 days waiting for Qantas to send the approval code. They didn't send it. I lost my award seats and had to shorten our holiday by 10 days to find award seats,

Believe it or not, they failed a 2nd, 3rd time and now a likely 4th time. I have now had my 3rd itineray suffer from Qantas incompetence. Thirty three phone calls. Call centre submitting errors are ongoing. I have given my card details 4 times and over $8000 has been sitting as pending in 2 banks, waiting for Qantas to send the approval code the bank provides them.

As I write, I have been on hold for 30mins with Suva call centre. The agent said she can't see why there was an error. She told me she will get to the bottom of it. For some reason I have no confidence in them.

I have kept a detailed log of the 8 day test of endurance. and will share it when the saga ends. My alcohol consumption has increased.

It is not the call centre agents failing, it is the lack of training Qantas has given them. Complexity of some fares, like theOneworld Award Fare is understandably a test for them. They then have to rely on another team in the call centre to submit the itinerary for ticketing. Points, money and adding flights to an existing ticket are stumbling blocks.

At all times I treat the agents in a civil manner and thank them. Exception being when they provide an outright lie, like telling me their call centre is in Sydney. I let them know I am ropeable, but tell them my anger is not directed at them.

Thirty third call and I've now been on hold for 60 mins ! Do I hang up or continue to wait for her to get back? She said she would get to the bottom of it and put me on hold. I've invested 60 mins of my time so far putting trust in her commitment.

I'll keep on hold and use my wife's phone to call again.

I would prefer to wait 4 hours to get Hobart call centre than wait a minute to get Fiji, Phillipines or South Africa. I didn't ever think I'd being saying that.

Alan Joyce has fixed the call centre waiting times but has created a mental health issue for it's customers and those undertrained in call centres.

It may be time to instigate a class action against Qantas and for Alan Joyce to confront his mismanagement.

After posting this the agent got back to me after 1hr 12mins on hold. She told me everything has been fixed, it has been submitted for ticketing and she will call back in 30 mins..We'll see.
 
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Hi,

My partner and I are looking at booking a classic rewards oneworld RTW ticket via QFF points for a holiday August 2023. I am hoping you all may be able to help with some questions. Our itinerary is:

Per->Athens (Leave Early Aug 2023)
Athens -> Reykjavik
Reykjavik->Barcelona (Originally planning to book this leg ourselves outside of OW, otherwise too many Europe stops I believe)
Madrid -> Lima
Lima -> Mexico City
Cancun -> Tokyo
Tokyo -> Perth (return mid Nov 2023)

We had a previous booking for July 2020 which we had to cancel, but are having more difficulty organising this booking.

We wanted to book the start of the trip, and then the remainder once seats are available. We called Qantas twice to ask about this and both times they have said we cannot book only part of the booking early. Now because I have delayed booking I can’t find any OW rewards seats which leave Perth and would work as a connection to Athens. Originally looking PER-LHR-ATH, or PER-DXB-ATH. I am now considering booking this leg outside of the OW ticket.

  • Any suggestions as to classic rewards flights which could work Perth -> Athens early August 2023?
  • If we did book Per->Athens outside of the OW booking – the first trip on the OW RTW ticket would be on British Airways – I believe this would mean they would be the ticketing airline? Is that a concern? Would i need to call BA for any queries/changes?
  • This would also mean we wouldn’t start and end at the same city. I don’t believe this is a problem?
The leg of the trip from Madrid to Lima would have a flight on LATAM. This is coming up as a classic reward seat on the QANTAS website but I believed they had left OW, so am unsure if this would be accepted?
 
Hi,

My partner and I are looking at booking a classic rewards oneworld RTW ticket via QFF points for a holiday August 2023. I am hoping you all may be able to help with some questions. Our itinerary is:

Per->Athens (Leave Early Aug 2023)
Athens -> Reykjavik
Reykjavik->Barcelona (Originally planning to book this leg ourselves outside of OW, otherwise too many Europe stops I believe)
Madrid -> Lima
Lima -> Mexico City
Cancun -> Tokyo
Tokyo -> Perth (return mid Nov 2023)

We had a previous booking for July 2020 which we had to cancel, but are having more difficulty organising this booking.

We wanted to book the start of the trip, and then the remainder once seats are available. We called Qantas twice to ask about this and both times they have said we cannot book only part of the booking early. Now because I have delayed booking I can’t find any OW rewards seats which leave Perth and would work as a connection to Athens. Originally looking PER-LHR-ATH, or PER-DXB-ATH. I am now considering booking this leg outside of the OW ticket.

  • Any suggestions as to classic rewards flights which could work Perth -> Athens early August 2023?
  • If we did book Per->Athens outside of the OW booking – the first trip on the OW RTW ticket would be on British Airways – I believe this would mean they would be the ticketing airline? Is that a concern? Would i need to call BA for any queries/changes?
  • This would also mean we wouldn’t start and end at the same city. I don’t believe this is a problem?
The leg of the trip from Madrid to Lima would have a flight on LATAM. This is coming up as a classic reward seat on the QANTAS website but I believed they had left OW, so am unsure if this would be accepted?
I don't want to be a wowser, but you have a number of obstacles which you have identified yourself - leaving Australia to get to Europe in peak holiday season; travel from Lima to Mexico; and getting two award tickets (presumably in J). I would start looking at options out of PER via KUL or CMB. From Lima I would look at US airlines to see whether you can transit there for onward travel to MEX.

Also note that you are asking about RTW and this thread is for OWA - best to keep them separate to avoid confusion.
 
Westly, I doubt very much whether your desired itinerary is actually achievable because you have picked multiple routes that are notoriously difficult to get award seats for and that's compounded by the fact you should have started booking your flights for August 2023 several months ago. I have a lot of experience booking J OWAs over the past 12 years and I wouldn't even bother trying what you are contemplating. It might look theoretically good on paper but I think it's really a path to much frustration and, ultimately, disappointment.

LATAM is still a partner airline with QF but they have left OW so you can't use them for a OWA. Iberia does fly the MAD - LIM route but I have no idea what availability would be like.
 

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