New Sydney Airport Vision

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Big ASX announcement by MAP - slides on the ASX website.

http://www.asx.com.au/asx/statistics/announcements.do?by=asxCode&asxCode=MAP&timeframe=D&period=W

The proposal would split the airport into two alliance-based airline precincts, one for Qantas and one for Virgin, that would integrate international, domestic and regional services under one roof by 2019.
Essentially Qantas/Jetstar/oneworld to a combined T2/T3, Virgin and everyone else T1

Apears to be a proposal/concept - remains exploratory
 
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lol. Eight years is a long time. Will be one big disruption once they start going though.

Looks like the existing QF maitenance hangers are relocated for a new oneworld International terminal (and presumably new QF lounge, although no two levels in the drawings)
 
Let's wait and see what happens then. It is going to be a huge amount of disruption if they go ahead with this. From a branding perspective it would seem that DJ/VA will be located with the LCCs (Scoot) - I wonder if that will maintain something of the LCC feel travelling DJ/VA (cf to MEL which feels very much like an LCC terminal compared to QF departures).
 
Let's wait and see what happens then. It is going to be a huge amount of disruption if they go ahead with this. From a branding perspective it would seem that DJ/VA will be located with the LCCs (Scoot) - I wonder if that will maintain something of the LCC feel travelling DJ/VA (cf to MEL which feels very much like an LCC terminal compared to QF departures).

To be honest, I doubt either carrier will agree to any plan which doesn't give them a product equal to the standard of the other. In this circumstance I think it would be a fair prediction there will be real competition with who has the "best terminal".
 
I dont think its a bad idea but I dont like the idea of 2 entirely separate international terminals. Alliances can be easily broken/changed and having it set up this way would create all sorts of drama for connecting passengers. This could easily be overcome if the existing train service ran between the 2 free of charge as opposed to the inefficient bus service that currently operates (despite me enjoying the views).

I also question the need to pull down the existing hangars, given that the VA/DJ gates would go to QF/OW.

But I suppose ANYTHING is better than the shambles the currently exist.
 
Hilarious.

MAP Airports "Incorporated in the Islands of Bermuda".

Agreed. The T3 Building is owned by Qantas and the land on which it stands is leased directly to Qantas from the Commonwealth. The land lease is to be renewed in 2014. This is the reason why T3 has a pick up area outside the terminal!

I hope QF renew the lease and prevent MAP turning T3 into a sh*thole like T1 & T2.
 
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I can't access the link but this sounds like a great concept.

/dream on/
Perhaps the curfew could be relaxed at the same time to account for irreg ops.

/dream off/
 

Maybe then they'll bring back ATA since they no longer have to worry about giving the competition a 'free kick'? :p /s


.... *scurries away with flame shield activated* ;)
 
I don't think there's anything LCC about VA being located in the international terminal with all non-OW partners. That will be everyone from Emirates to ANZ to Thai, SQ etc. I think it's got to be a big win for them when it comes to securing connections from all *A, ST and unaligned carriers and will hopefully mean a bloody international lounge (although i'd prefer not wait that long!).
 
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Would certainly be nice not to have to make the trek between dom/int terminals when transferring from international QF to domestic or vice versa!
 
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A interesting idea, as long as QF keep the F lounge (if F still exists when this plan comes to fruition). The cynical side of me suggests a new money spinning idea to double the number of shops (eg duty free)
 
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Very interesting - though still painful for cross-connections between non-QF group and QF group airlines.

Perhaps the thread name should be changed to 'Death of the F Lounge'? ;)
 
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Very interesting - though still painful for cross-connections between non-QF group and QF group airlines.

Perhaps the thread name should be changed to 'Death of the F Lounge'? ;)

Why the speculation that F is dieing (in a couple of threads today)? QF are just about to build new F lounges in HKG, SIN and I think LAX so why would they kill it here?

On the flip side I wonder if Oz might go he way of the US/UK where DOM and Int'l Pax are allowed to mingle - that way we might actually get to use the F lounge on domestic flights ;) It happens at LHR T5 so is not impossible.
 
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To me, it is just an excuse for Mac Airports to raise new fees in the future such as "Terminal Restructure Fee" etc, as well as justifying CEO position of not just milking the cow. If they really want to enhance customer experience they can surely build those Airport terminal train like at SIN, HKG, PEK. But no, they need to hassle everyone else and still have transit problems.
 
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To me, it is just an excuse for Mac Airports to raise new fees in the future such as "Terminal Restructure Fee" etc, as well as justifying CEO position of not just milking the cow. If they really want to enhance customer experience they can surely build those Airport terminal train like at SIN, HKG, PEK. But no, they need to hassle everyone else and still have transit problems.

To some extent, the current system of transit buses works just fine. A train would certainly have some degree of reliability and speed above the buses, but for what expense for true benefit above and beyond the current?

If you mean a train to get to and from the airport from Sydney city, well another smart-aleck blood-sucking mob already has the rights to that. Go throw red paint at them if you think they are charging a bomb for a substandard service.

HKG train inside the airport really only exists to cut down walking time, just like KIX. You could walk the entire length of terminal (and on a given day where you score a gate in the "neck", you don't have much choice there except a fairly long walk), though when one is loaded up with lounge food and Champagne, it does help to take the train if your flight is final calling you at the other end of the terminal! With the traffic going through SIN, bus connections between terminals are completely infeasible, and there's good argument as to whether the train shuttling is actually sufficient for demand (let alone comfort! Thankfully, all are short rides).


What the relocation plan will basically emulate is something like MEL, except split across the two major carriers of Australia (with "the rest" of the international going to the VA side). You'll still have issues with QF domestic connecting to non-oneworld / non-JQ international, but it will be not much different to situation now.

If either of T2 or T3 become international, either one will need a significant overhaul in terms of quality of interiors, with the former definitely so. Even then, I wonder how QF and VA will view the investment in their specific infastructure and having to move terminals then to rebuild those structures, viz. for QF, the F Lounge, and for VA, the Premium Valet Entry. There would also need to be considerable thought (and accompanying disruption) as to how either terminal will be refit for outbound immigration and arrival services, including separating flow of inbound and outbound passengers and splitting/relocating/positioning inbound immigration and customs. Also, the A380 capable gates are all at T1; nothing at T2 or T3 can barely accommodate longhaul aircraft.

Heck, from what I've just assessed, the whole idea might just be to rip up all 3 terminals and rebuild! A costly effort indeed.... now who came up with this idea again.......... :-|
 
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