MH denies rumours of 28/5 shutdown

[under the radar]

... in much the same way that SHOUTING at us in AFF posts doesn't need to be there

I apologize...I grew up in the day when caps were used to 'highlight' a 'point'/word/phrase ...I think the interpretation of caps changed when society/generations became more angry/intolerant/ignorant of differing views/opinions...hence interpreting caps as shouting

enjoy your day....I will

 

[medhead]

I apologize...I grew up in the day when caps were used to 'highlight' a 'point'/word/phrase ...I think the interpretation of caps changed when society/generations became more angry/intolerant/ignorant of differing views/opinions...hence interpreting caps as shouting

enjoy your day....I will

All caps is accepted as shouting as a general matter of net etiquette. But I agree when using the iPhone app all caps is easier to use than bolding words.

 

[burmans]

and in response to those who 'don't care if MH survives or not'.. potentially thousands of INNOCENT MH (and associated) employees will lose their job... Your 'wrath of hate' should ONLY be focused on the INDIVIDUAL/S WHO ACTIVELY CAUSED THE DISAPPEARANCE OF MH370... your views are just pure ignorance

The internet unfortunately brings out the worst in some people but as they say "haters gotta hate".

 

[under the radar]

All caps is accepted as shouting as a general matter of net etiquette. But I agree when using the iPhone app all caps is easier to use than bolding words.

did you read my post?....just because it's accepted as 'general etiquette'...and depends on which 'apps' you use depends on its 'acceptance' ....it doesn't hold an acceptance by everyone...it's 'generally accepted' that many things happen on the 'net'...doesn't mean we all have to 'accept':shock:

bye for now

 

[JohnK]

....it doesn't hold an acceptance by everyone...it's 'generally accepted' that many things happen on the 'net'...doesn't mean we all have to 'accept':shock:

We are the Borg. You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile...

 

[medhead]

did you read my post?....just because it's accepted as 'general etiquette'...and depends on which 'apps' you use depends on its 'acceptance' ....it doesn't hold an acceptance by everyone...it's 'generally accepted' that many things happen on the 'net'...doesn't mean we all have to 'accept':shock:

bye for now

I read your post. Did you read mine? I did not say that acceptance depends on which apps are used. I did not say it is generally accepted either. All caps = shouting is the etiquette and it has been the standard for at least 20 years. That is the etiquette, whether you accept it or not. There are a couple of ways to deal with the situation a) accept the rules everyone else is using, or b) don't accept those rules and upset people who think you're shouting at them.

At the end of the day, I'm just trying to provide information to help.

 

[under the radar]

just want to apologize that some of my replies are waaaay of the original topic .... I just felt the need to respond to others who lost sight of the original topic

my bad

no more posts from me on this topic (I can hear the cheers)

 

[under the radar]

I read your post. Did you read mine? I did not say that acceptance depends on which apps are used. I did not say it is generally accepted either. All caps = shouting is the etiquette and it has been the standard for at least 20 years. That is the etiquette, whether you accept it or not. There are a couple of ways to deal with the situation a) accept the rules everyone else is using, or b) don't accept those rules and upset people who think you're shouting at them.

At the end of the day, I'm just trying to provide information to help.

ooops...'general matter'

 

[JohnK]

no more posts from me on this topic (I can hear the cheers)

Don't let the bullies scare you. They can't hurt you. Not unless they are standing in front of you.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

did you read my post?....just because it's accepted as 'general etiquette'...and depends on which 'apps' you use depends on its 'acceptance' ....it doesn't hold an acceptance by everyone...it's 'generally accepted' that many things happen on the 'net'...doesn't mean we all have to 'accept':shock:

bye for now

yeah it does actually.

There are norms and standards, caps = shouting is one of those.

There will always be people who 'don't accept' but that doesn't mean they have a valid argument. Some people don't accept drink driving is a problem. Some don't accept racism as a problem. But they are still wrong.

 

[JessicaTam]

I was under the impression that this thread is about the possible closure of an airline. :!:

If you want to have a discussion about whether to capitalise a word or not, take it outside! :evil:

And not to the Grammar thread.

 

[amaroo]

the financial issues for MH have been openly discussed for some time. It's worth about $1.3 billion or something IIRC.

Chinese arrivals into Malaysia are down something like 30% and forward bookings ex China are supposedly non-existent with most (if not all) Chinese travel agencies boycotting the airline.

Couple that with what I read is a pretty bad business class and you can start to see the airline would be in some difficulty.

Add a quote from the PM about bankruptcy and you've got yourself a red hot rumour that will probably morph into reality Malaysia Airlines, Whose Flight 370 Vanished in March, Grapples With Financial Difficulties - WSJ.com

"Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razakacknowledges it might be too late to save Malaysia Airlines in its current form. Bankruptcy might be one among several options as a way to restructure the firm after years of losses and bitter conflicts with its labor unions, he said in an interview. The airline's parent is considering selling a stake in its profitable maintenance unit to help balance the books, The Wall Street Journal reported this week.

"We have to look at it from all angles," the prime minister said, "bearing in mind that Malaysia Airlines is a government-linked company. It's not a private company, so there are certain repercussions in what you want to do in terms of how it is received by the employees and the general public."

The airline is 69%-owned by a state investment fund. Its stock has fallen about 43% over the past year, while the broader Malaysian market is up about 5%."

 

[boomy]

I don't think MH is to blame for the disappearing of it's plane, not at this stage anyway when no one knows exactly what happened.
Their biggest problem is the way they responded to this tragedy. I think many lost confidence in the people who run the airline and don't want to put their life in the hands of those people. I have friends who say they will now pay more to fly QF, just in case an unexpected incident happens, they want a reliable airline/government on their side.
The key to MH's recovery is to bring back customer confidence. This is not done by selling tickets at half price. Trying to "buy" people back just shows they learned nothing from previous mistakes. People want to see significant changes in the way MH operates and they want to feel secure that if the s**t hits the fan again, they will have someone to rely on.
MH should get rid of all the bureaucrats who put the airline into shame by the way they dealt with recent events and then invest heavily in PR, a weak points for them so far.
Once customer confidence is lost, it's hard to earn it back. It's enough to read some threads here on AFF to see that some people won't fly certain airlines like AF, GA and even OZ because they just don't trust them.

 

[burmans]

It's enough to read some threads here on AFF to see that some people won't fly certain airlines like AF, GA and even OZ because they just don't trust them.

Well if its about trust dont need to even look internationally!

 

[BAM1748]

I don't think MH is to blame for the disappearing of it's plane, not at this stage anyway when no one knows exactly what happened.

Hmm, not sure what to make of this, we don't know what happened so shouldn't blame MAS?

I actually think the opposite, until it's proven terrorists or some other third party is involved I think we do indeed to put it on MAS to find and explain. Until we know what happened it's an MAS aircraft under their control.

The integrity of MAS systems, processes, staff and management is at stake until this is resolved either way.

It's just such a shame it involves 300 people presumed deceased. The only way the public can deal with MAS as an entity is to do it with their wallets until the answers are found.

Matt

 

[boomy]

Well if its about trust dont need to even look internationally!

Trust in safety standards.
We don't have this problem in Australia.
Unless you count in Tiger. But there are so many other reasons not to fly with them

 

[medhead]

Hmm, not sure what to make of this, we don't know what happened so shouldn't blame MAS?

I actually think the opposite, until it's proven terrorists or some other third party is involved I think we do indeed to put it on MAS to find and explain. Until we know what happened it's an MAS aircraft under their control.

The integrity of MAS systems, processes, staff and management is at stake until this is resolved either way.

It's just such a shame it involves 300 people presumed deceased. The only way the public can deal with MAS as an entity is to do it with their wallets until the answers are found.

Matt

I'd love to understand what sort of systemic issue causes an aircraft to fly a complex route, that apparently follows a path that avoids obvious alarm, that allows it to completely disappear of the face of the earth.

For me, if there were failures in systems, processes or people (as opposed to one person) then the aircraft would have been found already.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Trust in safety standards.
We don't have this problem in Australia.
Unless you count in Tiger. But there are so many other reasons not to fly with them

trust in safety standards?

I think there are some issues. Gate-to-gate IFE is one.

If we're talking about safety more generally, we have been lucky. Large hole ripped in the side of a 747? A B-747 running off a runway in Bangkok? (etc)

 

[anat0l]

I think there are some issues. Gate-to-gate IFE is one.

Since when is gate-to-gate IFE an intransigent safety issue? (Unless you mean people would rather watch TV than respond in an emergency)

If we're talking about safety more generally, we have been lucky. Large hole ripped in the side of a 747? A B-747 running off a runway in Bangkok? (etc)

And in all cases, all souls were saved, let alone that the airline was right on top of both incidents.

MH may not know how MH370 went down, but they sure as hell don't instill much confidence that they are doing what they can to find it and/or the cause. It seems to be a more common (unfortunately, Asian) pacify and leave-us-alone tactic.

I'm still surprised that MH is in significant financial trouble, especially being majority state-owned. They have been cutting down considerably even before MH370; whether some of those cutbacks has had possible implications to MH370 is complete speculation.

I guess we might see something like JL where the network was completely rethought and decimated into a core, sustainable, profitable network.

 

[boomy]

Hmm, not sure what to make of this, we don't know what happened so shouldn't blame MAS?

I actually think the opposite, until it's proven terrorists or some other third party is involved I think we do indeed to put it on MAS to find and explain. Until we know what happened it's an MAS aircraft under their control.

The integrity of MAS systems, processes, staff and management is at stake until this is resolved either way.

It's just such a shame it involves 300 people presumed deceased. The only way the public can deal with MAS as an entity is to do it with their wallets until the answers are found.

Matt

I think that any airline could have the bad luck of a crazy individual or a group of terrorists to highjack it's plane so I can't blame MH for that.
I do blame the people who run MH and the Malaysian government for the poor way they dealt with everything that happened.