Melbourne most liveable city in the World also for the homeless

[marki]

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I am starting to recognise them now. Are we the new capital of living on the streets ( all day )?

What's happening ?
Record numbers living on Melbourne streets

Explains something .....

I don't think we are immune to this, I have seen many examples on the streets of NY, London and Berlin.

We really should look after our own backyard first before increasing migrant quotas. Syrian migrants are finding there way to aged care hostels in Melbourne. Where pensioners have to pay dearly for such privileged selling their family home and devoting all superannuation. I understand why they see this as Roles Royce treatment for people who are not Australian Citizens and have no obligations to eventually contribute to Australia.

Migration in the past was different. Many earning just enough to rent a small room ( 98% of income) with precious left over. There cultural physical contributions are not unnoticed. There attitude towards Australia is different to what we see now. (got that from the Bolt report yesterday). Just in case it seems to be off the mark for some.

There maybe a few green finger waggers throwing themselves with complaints. But last time I looked it was still a free country ( almost) except for those posting on Facebook commenting on signage outside a certain computer room at a certain educational facility akin to new policy of B/W segregation.

I have not seen this in rural parts of Australia I have most recently visited. Barcaldine, Bourke, Alpha, Jericho, LongReach, name a few

 

[travelislife]

I agree it is much more noticeable on the streets around Melbourne now.

Unfortunately all parties (except the greens I think) are on the great population ponzi scheme for growth. One of the only MP's trying to have a reasonable argument on that front, Kelvin Thompson, has now retired unfortunately. Until we recognise that this kind of growth also puts further stress on services/infrastructure we have no hope.

In saying that I think you are a little of the 'mark' on the immigration front so I don't want to go down that path.

 

[yohy?!]

It is a tragedy what is happening with rising homeless numbers but I would see this as a direct result of cuts to community services from the federal government, not in relation to immigration.

The vast bulk of the annual migrant intake require little in the way of these services and become net taxpayers/contribute to GDP rather than become net consumers of taxpayer funding. Refugees are such a small amount overall nationally that it isn't really possible to link individuals from a particular country as having any impact to homelessness rising.

The more important (direct) link from migration is to GDP, if we cut migration we effectively cut growth and as gov. spending as a % of GDP spirals out of control more of these community services will have to stop leaving more of our own homeless on the street.

To the OP, please don't take this as an attack on your views, just my understanding based on looking at migration from an economic perspective - we cannot do without it for now, I don't agree with endless economic growth at any cost as being sustainable but think it will take a huge global collapse for a new approach to macroeconomics to emerge.

 

[marki]

I agree it is much more noticeable on the streets around Melbourne now.

Unfortunately all parties (except the greens I think) are on the great population ponzi scheme for growth. One of the only MP's trying to have a reasonable argument on that front, Kelvin Thompson, has now retired unfortunately. Until we recognise that this kind of growth also puts further stress on services/infrastructure we have no hope.

In saying that I think you are a little of the 'mark' on the immigration front so I don't want to go down that path.

Andrew Bolt bought this up yesterday I concede as to is tenaciousness!

It is a tragedy what is happening with rising homeless numbers but I would see this as a direct result of cuts to community services from the federal government, not in relation to immigration.

The vast bulk of the annual migrant intake require little in the way of these services and become net taxpayers/contribute to GDP rather than become net consumers of taxpayer funding. Refugees are such a small amount overall nationally that it isn't really possible to link individuals from a particular country as having any impact to homelessness rising.

The more important (direct) link from migration is to GDP, if we cut migration we effectively cut growth and as gov. spending as a % of GDP spirals out of control more of these community services will have to stop leaving more of our own homeless on the street.

To the OP, please don't take this as an attack on your views, just my understanding based on looking at migration from an economic perspective - we cannot do without it for now, I don't agree with endless economic growth at any cost as being sustainable but think it will take a huge global collapse for a new approach to macroeconomics to emerge.

Valid points you make. But the costs of the most recent migration along with all the Detention centres are extremely expensive with some being flown for medical reasons to Australia costing tax payers the cost of flight charter from Christmas Island and private specialist costs. This is not sustainable.
We have people on endless waiting list being put back year by year. I digress

 

[dajop]

Andrew Bolt bought this up yesterday I concede as to is tenaciousness!



Valid points you make. But the costs of the most recent migration along with all the Detention centres are extremely expensive with some being flown for medical reasons to Australia costing tax payers the cost of flight charter from Christmas Island and private specialist costs. This is not sustainable.
We have people on endless waiting list being put back year by year. I digress

I remember from a couple of years back, the outlay per person per night at the detention centres is higher than breakfast inclusive short stay rates at major city five star hotels. Not getting into the whole argument about the rights and wrongs of the approach to refugees but surely there has to be a more cost effective approach (I Guess the companies running the Centres are milking it for all they can get). And from memory that analysis didn't include the sorts specialist medical care you are talking about.

 

[UP4014]

If you have (even slow) increasing unemployment and reducing welfare support what do people expect. The most vulnerable such as mentally ill get hit first, they struggle with employment and can't work the system.

I'm not so sure immigration is the root cause without the above.

 

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