JQ should get the 767's.

[NM]

Yes, I admit I was a bit Qantas heavy today!

Would you prefer a 763 over a A332 with AVOD and the newer interior though?

For a short domestic flight, yes I would take the 763 over the A332. The 2+3+2 Y seating and quicker load/unload resulting in quicker turn-around makes them very well suited to the shorter domestic flights. Trans-continental flights would be nice to have IFE, but I usually carry my own anyway and do not rely on what the aircraft has to offer. For example, on a domestic flight this morning I did not even touch the IFE on the 744, but instead used my iPod to catch up on a missed TV show. Will likely do the same on the 9-hour international 744 flight I am waiting to board.

 

[ejb]

I agree with you re service standard reduction HOWEVER Do we really need a bed on a 4 hr domestic sector, By the time you have the coughpy service offered, even on the redeye, then settle down and start to close your eyes, you are on descent to SYD/PER Anyway. Seriously, we dont need flat beds domestically. I think its more want, and the W$%k factor (No offence to you as I dont know you)

With that analogy you could remove meals, do we need to eat on a flight of less than 5 hours? IFE could be removed, surely you can read a book. Drinks on flights of less than 2 hours and the list could go on.

I was not saying we need beds but I can get 4 hours sleep on a SYD-PER flight and when it leaves at 6am that is a good nap. I was more responding to the change of aircraft comments.

BTW no offence taken

ejb

 

[harvyk]

Trans-continental flights would be nice to have IFE, but I usually carry my own anyway and do not rely on what the aircraft has to offer.

That's all well and good if you have both your own IFE and in the event that it's battery powered it has battery life left... (Ignoring seats where AC power is available)

If however your mobile device has a flat battery, many hours without IFE can be extremely boring... There is only so many times you can read over the in flight mags...

As far as I concerned, all flights within AU should have some sort of IFE... With exception to some shorter regional flights flights between every major city takes a minimum of an hour (inc CBR - SYD if you count the time sitting on the ground either end), allow IFE gate to gate and that's an episode of you favourite TV show right there...

As for JQ getting newer planes, it fits in with the LCC model, LCC's usually have newer planes as the maintenance costs tend to be cheaper...

 

[cosi]

Does anybody know when QF will get the 787 running on the flights between the east coast and west coast?

 

[straitman]

Does anybody know when QF will get the 787 running on the flights between the east coast and west coast?

That can only be answered after the question 'Does anybody know when QF will get the 787?' is answered.

 

[djfuzz]

I agree with you re service standard reduction HOWEVER Do we really need a bed on a 4 hr domestic sector, By the time you have the coughpy service offered, even on the redeye, then settle down and start to close your eyes, you are on descent to SYD/PER Anyway. Seriously, we dont need flat beds domestically. I think its more want, and the W$%k factor (No offence to you as I dont know you)

Apparently QF disagrees, or they wouldn't be going to such lengths to promote the fact that they are offering 744s and an international-quality product on the transcon in order to try to stop people being lured away by DJ's product.

In those circumstances, I'd have thought some sort of remedy for a downgraded product might be appropriate - it's no 1-2 hour hop on the golden triangle after all.

I know a lot of people swear by the 767s - there's no doubt they've put in many years of good service. Putting aside the aircraft itself, updating the hard product and service so often so that it is somewhat consistent across the fleet doesn't hurt either.

 

[concorde71]

Apparently QF disagrees, or they wouldn't be going to such lengths to promote the fact that they are offering 744s and an international-quality product on the transcon in order to try to stop people being lured away by DJ's product.

In those circumstances, I'd have thought some sort of remedy for a downgraded product might be appropriate - it's no 1-2 hour hop on the golden triangle after all.

I know a lot of people swear by the 767s - there's no doubt they've put in many years of good service. Putting aside the aircraft itself, updating the hard product and service so often so that it is somewhat consistent across the fleet doesn't hurt either.

QF Dissagrees because they are coughping themselves, virgin are going to smash them once their fleet is finalised. QF only put on 744s because they are surplus to their fleet requirements, as they have shoved everything to Jetstar. They have 744s sitting in storage in Arizona, thats where this lone 744 they are running would be too had Virgin not taken them on. May the cough flow as Qantas ducks for cover, Not even a mighty 747 will save them from this showdown. Once again, this is my uneducated opinion

I think both carriers suffer from inconsistancy ATM. Virgin has an excuse though due to its change of direction, and fleet replacement / interior layout. What might be QF's reason, they have no new offering, no direction, and basically no drive, under their cuurent structure, why can you get off one 76 and onto another and not feel like you are in a familiar environment. these aircraft are over 20 years old, they keep saying, Oh the BA Birds blah blah blah, they have had ample time to refit and standardise these aircraft. I bet VA will have their cough together in a much quicker timeframe..... Actually their fleet would have been replaced 3 times in the time that QF have been coughping on about these 76 issues. Regardless though, I still love the 76 and will really miss them now I fly VA, I suppose I can book a QF flight in 10-15 years if I get that nostalgic feeling and want to fly one.

 

[markis10]

QF Dissagrees because they are coughping themselves, virgin are going to smash them once their fleet is finalised. QF only put on 744s because they are surplus to their fleet requirements, as they have shoved everything to Jetstar.

QF have been putting the old 747s on transcon for years as they approach the boneyard, nothing to do with JQ at all:

2006
http://www.australianfrequentflyer....-flyer-program/per-to-mel-747-300-a-8089.html

The ability to put on the 744 to PER this time came from the Japanese earthquake killing the need for a 747 aircraft to NRT, along with the arrival of more A380s.

 

[ChrisCunard]

Long Haul and flights into Asia here's something QF should get onto quick smart:

Geoffrey Thomas (and others) have been saying this for years!

 

[TonyHancock]

That's all well and good if you have both your own IFE and in the event that it's battery powered it has battery life left... (Ignoring seats where AC power is available)

I have long since given up on IFE. I carry the equipment required to entertain myself on all flights.

 

[Moopere]

Anyway. Seriously, we dont need flat beds domestically. I think its more want, and the W$%k factor (No offence to you as I dont know you)

We shouldn't make this sort of judgement call offhandedly. People can be transiting, or coming off 12 hours shifts, any number of things can cause a tired human who's paid a full service J fare to want to have a nap.

Personally, I don't feel the need to judge what others might find useful. Domestic J class is horrendously expensive, we should be receiving the full service each and every flight given the price tag, if folks don't want to sleep thats their choice.

 

[concorde71]

We shouldn't make this sort of judgement call offhandedly. People can be transiting, or coming off 12 hours shifts, any number of things can cause a tired human who's paid a full service J fare to want to have a nap.

Personally, I don't feel the need to judge what others might find useful. Domestic J class is horrendously expensive, we should be receiving the full service each and every flight given the price tag, if folks don't want to sleep thats their choice.

If we want to criticise posts perhaps we should not just pick little bits out of posts and quote them out of context. Nobody was judged, I couldnt give a cough if someone wants to pay huge rates for a 2 hr kip in a flatbed during daylight hours, whilst kids run rampant through the cabin, fellow pax wander around like lost sheep, in and out of lockers, meals get served, drinks get served TVs get watched blah blah blah blah. Just read the full story and quote the lot just your little bit that makes me look like an arrogant turd
If those turds at QF were serious about 744 etc, they would have shoved the flatbeds on redeyes, not daylights. Why did they put them on daylights??? because most pax that use them, will only use them as a novelty. The overnight would have been ideal, but as usual ....... Ahhhh F$$% it

 

[JohnPhelan]

QF Dissagrees because they are coughping themselves, virgin are going to smash them once their fleet is finalised. QF only put on 744s because they are surplus to their fleet requirements, as they have shoved everything to Jetstar.

May the cough flow as Qantas ducks for cover, Not even a mighty 747 will save them from this showdown.

Once again, this is my uneducated opinion.

Clearly.

Why do you display so much vitriol against Qantas?

 

[NM]

That's all well and good if you have both your own IFE and in the event that it's battery powered it has battery life left... (Ignoring seats where AC power is available)

My iPod Touch made it through BNE-SYD-HKG today without any aircraft power. Was still watching videos on the HKIA Express Train.

If however your mobile device has a flat battery, many hours without IFE can be extremely boring... There is only so many times you can read over the in flight mags...

Having a flat battery for such a flight would constitute poor planning on my part, which is something I generally manage to avoid.

As far as I concerned, all flights within AU should have some sort of IFE... With exception to some shorter regional flights flights between every major city takes a minimum of an hour (inc CBR - SYD if you count the time sitting on the ground either end), allow IFE gate to gate and that's an episode of you favourite TV show right there...

Back when I was a lad ...

My how our expectations have changed over the years. Its not that far back in my distance memories when the only IFE on domestic flights was 8 channels of audio, plus ABC radio if the pilots tuned it in (which was generally only when the cricket was being broadcast).

 

[djfuzz]

My iPod Touch made it through BNE-SYD-HKG today without any aircraft power. Was still watching videos on the HKIA Express Train.

Having a flat battery for such a flight would constitute poor planning on my part, which is something I generally manage to avoid.

I try to plan similarly, though the iPad tends to be a champion when it comes to battery life taking some of the work out of it. However, there are times when you forget or can't do it (or use up your charge at the airport, due to delays etc).

Having USB / seat power is a small luxury that does go a long way in these circumstances. They're not exactly cutting edge any more either so, notwithstanding the reliability of the aircraft, I'd certainly look for a product that does offer small things like this (hint hint DJ, your American sibling gets a lot of things right ).

Back when I was a lad ...

My how our expectations have changed over the years. Its not that far back in my distance memories when the only IFE on domestic flights was 8 channels of audio, plus ABC radio if the pilots tuned it in (which was generally only when the cricket was being broadcast).

Lol. To quote my new favourite 'scientist', 'we're not exactly banging rocks together' any more.

 

[Ansettaddict123]

QF have been putting the old 747s on transcon for years as they approach the boneyard, nothing to do with JQ at all:

2006
http://www.australianfrequentflyer....-flyer-program/per-to-mel-747-300-a-8089.html

The ability to put on the 744 to PER this time came from the Japanese earthquake killing the need for a 747 aircraft to NRT, along with the arrival of more A380s.

The 743s were taken off the Perth route as QF opted for frequency instead of capacity using the new build A332s (plus the fact these aircraft were approaching their mid 20s :shock: ). Many of these new A332s have gone to Jetstar for its long hauls as an interim 787 replacement meaning the 767s have had to stay on longer with QF (as we all know).

Really the 744 services returning to Perth has been a reaction to Virgin's new A332 services, observe how they haven't returned to Mel-Per? Again quite typical of Qantas management - reactive instead of proactive. Sure they have the spare capacity, but they wouldn't be deploying it if they didn't feel threatened.

Long Haul and flights into Asia here's something QF should get onto quick smart:

Geoffrey Thomas (and others) have been saying this for years!

It seems as if every time I pick up an issue of Australian Aviation GT is making this point - rightfully so however.

My iPod Touch made it through BNE-SYD-HKG today without any aircraft power. Was still watching videos on the HKIA Express Train.

:shock:
How low was the brightness?!?!
I'm pressed to get my iPhone through 5 hours let alone 9.5!

 

[NM]

How low was the brightness?!?!
I'm pressed to get my iPhone through 5 hours let alone 9.5!

I don't have an iPhone so can not make any comment on their battery life, even in "flight" mode. I probably had the iPod running for at least 8 hours (excluding meal services and times when electronic devices should not be used). I didn't do anything special to extend its battery life. The batter was ready for a charge by the time I arrived at the hotel.

 

[concorde71]

Clearly.

Why do you display so much vitriol against Qantas?

Just telling it how it is ( Personal opinion due to my own personal experiences, that is all)
Not sure how long you have been around, however, I feel I know enough having been around when Golden Wing was the place to be, and yes I was a member there, anyway, pesonal opinions are allowed, and the negative views are simply a reflection of the services provided on too many occasions over the past 2-3 years by ""Öur national carrier""

 

[harvyk]

Back when I was a lad ...

My how our expectations have changed over the years. Its not that far back in my distance memories when the only IFE on domestic flights was 8 channels of audio, plus ABC radio if the pilots tuned it in (which was generally only when the cricket was being broadcast).

Back when I was a lad, I remember doing SYD-LAX with the only entertainment via the pipe earbuds. They also threw on a single movie about half way through... The novelty of the flight was what got me through...

But back then the technology for doing AVOD was non-existant. However now the technology is very common place and in the scheme of things it's relatively cheap... I see no reason why QF couldn't place AVOD on all aircraft (including retrofitting it on existing aircraft) it would be a great selling point for them, and something that would bring in customers (entertainment on all flights rather than the current guessing game if you know your aircraft types and in some cases are lucky enough to get the right plane)

 

[BAM1748]

My how our expectations have changed over the years. Its not that far back in my distance memories when the only IFE on domestic flights was 8 channels of audio, plus ABC radio if the pilots tuned it in (which was generally only when the cricket was being broadcast).

And that was with an air tube head set! :shock: