Japan Airlines plane in flames at Tokyo's Haneda airport

[Himeno]

They have now started to remove the remains of both aircraft from the runway. Expecting to reopen 16L/34R on monday.

 

[encryptededdy]

I believe the reported 18 minutes is until the last person (the Captain I believe) went down the slide. It's possible that most of the passengers went down earlier and the Captain did a final check for remaining people, but we probably won't know for a while.

Some more info about this in this tweet

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1743326260321738924

UPDATE: According to Japanese Ministry of Transportation #JA516 was evacuated about 7 minutes after the collision took place. However, it took another 11 minutes for the captain to look for petrified passengers still in the cabin. He ordered several of them to hurry to the exists before he himself evacuated after a total of 18 minutes.

Also a Nikkei article: Haneda air traffic control missed warning alert in JAL collision

 

[cosi]

They have now started to remove the remains of both aircraft from the runway. Expecting to reopen 16L/34R on monday.

They need to re-open ASAP to reduce the number of flight cancellations.

More than 200 domestic flights to and from Tokyo's Haneda Airport scheduled for Saturday have been cancelled

 

[justinbrett]

It thought it interesting some of the people who filmed onboard have said they did it because they thought the footage would be helpful to the accident investigators.

NTSB has requested a copy of all photos and videos taken onboard AS1282.

You certainly don’t want to delay the evacuation by a single second but the line of thinking is understandable.

 

[DejaBrew]

You certainly don’t want to delay the evacuation by a single second but the line of thinking is understandable.

I’d be interested to know how many recorded it for a chance at their “30 seconds of fame” and how many genuinely had the clarity of mind in the midst of an emergency to film because they thought it would be helpful to investigators? But perhaps I’m just being overly cynical…

 

[jb747]

The timeline now makes much more sense. I wonder if the Captain had one of the portable oxy masks, because it was probably becoming pretty bad by the time he evacuated.

 

[leadman]

Flying out of Haneda today for Naha, there was little evidence left of the crash. Everything was tidied up, although there seemed to be a few workers around with a few bitumen trucks. What was a bit different was the JAL safety video and the focus on escape via the air slides. On our guess, it would have taken around 20 - 25% of the video and quite in depth, more than I have seen before. It included the "leave your luggage behind", but then focussed on taking high heel shoes off, where to target on landing (with an actual target on the video), going down two-by-two, helping your fellow passengers off, and, running as fast as possible from the plane.

Quite surprising, the plane was 90% empty.

 

[drron]

Flying out of Haneda today for Naha, there was little evidence left of the crash. Everything was tidied up, although there seemed to be a few workers around with a few bitumen trucks. What was a bit different was the JAL safety video and the focus on escape via the air slides. On our guess, it would have taken around 20 - 25% of the video and quite in depth, more than I have seen before. It included the "leave your luggage behind", but then focussed on taking high heel shoes off, where to target on landing (with an actual target on the video), going down two-by-two, helping your fellow passengers off, and, running as fast as possible from the plane.

Quite surprising, the plane was 90% empty.

JALhas said that they expect to lose $US105 million in earnings in the next year as a result of the accident.
We won’t be changing our 2JAL flights this month.

Japan Airlines estimates loss of about $105m from collision

Carrier says insurance will cover cost of aircraft destroyed in blaze

asia.nikkei.com

 

[leadman]

We will be back to Handea Friday, so will see how the pax are then. Naha seemed to be busy, though, with a lot of aircraft in, even lovely Jetstar!

 

[DejaBrew]

Sad for the owners

While all the people on board survived, 2 passengers' pets were killed in the devastating Japan Airlines fire

Japan Airlines said it "considers pets to be members of the family and expresses its deepest condolences" after two passengers lost their pets.

www.businessinsider.com

 

[RSVKanga]

Does anyone have more information on whether this previously taken image of both aircraft that crashed (JA722A and JA13XJ) in one shot is real or photoshopped? Several claims on social media “confirming” its authenticity, while others have “debunked” it with differing arguments.

 

[justinbrett]

Does anyone have more information on whether this image of both aircraft that crashed (JA722A and JA13XJ) in one shot is real or photoshopped? Several claims on social media “confirming” its authenticity, while others have debunked it with differing arguments.View attachment 364640

Well it’s not of the incident, that occurred after sunset.

Can’t see why it wouldn’t be a legitimate photo taken on another occasion.

 

[Seat0B]

The timeline now makes much more sense. I wonder if the Captain had one of the portable oxy masks, because it was probably becoming pretty bad by the time he evacuated.

I wonder if the pax were just spooked by the steep slide or if there are always some "holdouts" in an emergency evacuation. If the captain tries to get them off several times but they still refuse, presumably they can be left to their fate? Or would the staff "assist" them off? What a hard call to make.

 

[encryptededdy]

Does anyone have more information on whether this previously taken image of both aircraft that crashed (JA722A and JA13XJ) in one shot is real or photoshopped? Several claims on social media “confirming” its authenticity, while others have “debunked” it with differing arguments.

The original photographer says it's a two photo collage.

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In this higher res original shot, you can clearly see it's just two photos collaged together. No fancy image editing whatsoever. As the original post states, it's completely unintentional that it looks like one image.

 

[tdimdad]

I wonder if the pax were just spooked by the steep slide or if there are always some "holdouts" in an emergency evacuation. If the captain tries to get them off several times but they still refuse, presumably they can be left to their fate? Or would the staff "assist" them off? What a hard call to make.

An interesting question and would be a really difficult position for the crew members.

In a mining site safety induction (QLD) back in time, one of the rules drilled into us is the authority & responsibility to order anyone to stop an unsafe action (if we spot them e.g. having not isolated a piece of equipment prior to maintaining it, etc). If I recall correctly (it's too long since for the details to stick), you need to warn them twice in an unambiguous manner and so that they can hear / see it. If they still continue, they are on their own and the OHS responsibility has transferred from being shared & company responsibility onto them alone.

I would assume that there might be similar cutoffs prescribed for how the crew handles "frozen" or opposing passengers. The policy can probably be used to absolve the crew members from any legal responsibility if they have acted as far as they can but without results. But the moral and human side still remains, though, and that's where the really dark waters are and what the crew will carry with them into the future.

I really don't envy the JL516 crew members (cabin and pilots) at this point. They are lauded for their actions and getting all passengers into safety - and very rightly so. But the dark clouds hanging over their heads will probably need a lot of clearing and healing before they can mentally come back from this. I hope they get some great psychologists or other support to help them navigate through this.

 

[milehighclub]

I would assume that there might be similar cutoffs prescribed for how the crew handles "frozen" or opposing passengers

Assuming that the slide is deemed useable by the crew member, then most crew are trained to simply push passengers that freeze at the door.

 

[Scarlett]

Does anyone have more information on whether this previously taken image of both aircraft that crashed (JA722A and JA13XJ) in one shot is real or photoshopped? Several claims on social media “confirming” its authenticity, while others have “debunked” it with differing arguments.

View attachment 364640

The absence of shadow on the runway from the supposed departing A350, as well as the different shadow angles on the two aircraft indicate they can’t be a single image.

Edit: And because the originator of the image said so.

 

[Quickstatus]

one shot is real or photoshopped?

One only needs to look at the relative size of the aircraft to know it's not real.

Hint : the Airbus is nearly 2.5 times longer than the Dash - the tail of the dash in that photo would be behind the main undercarriage of the Airbus

 

[Quickstatus]

frozen" or opposing passengers

Shout at them, Drag them out of their seats if you can or push them down the aisle or out the door. If they are injured, carry them out. While probably not in this case, an impact may cause some to be injured and unable to move by themselves -in that case carry them out.

Easier said than done of course but niceties went out the door as soon as the doors opened. Do what you can but there is no requirement for the Captain to "go down with the ship"

 

[justinbrett]

One only needs to look at the relative size of the aircraft to know it's not real.

Hint : the Airbus is nearly 2.5 times longer than the Dash - the tail of the dash in that photo would be behind the main undercarriage of the Airbus

Perspective - the taxiway is approx 200m closer to the camera, 3x the length of the A350.

Looks about right to me. (I know it’s not a single photo but the relative sizes isn’t why)

eg a similar shot at Sydney vs 737