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[NM]

Hmmm....according to the Boeing site they have delivered to AA 47 777-200ER with RR engines from 21 January to 26 May 2006. Still I am not too sure they can make a non-stop service LAX-SYD.

I know I have looked into it before and the AA 777 models don't have the capability to operate LAX-SYD non-stop. Its something about the specific combination they ordered (weights, engines etc). I will try to find the info again and post it.

DL has ordered some (2?) 777-200LR but is this enough to fly to make a daily service when mx needs to be acconted for? I also think a DL exec did state that SYD was a destination that they were thinking about.

2 is not enough. You need a min of 3 for a daily service and DL bought them for specific other routes which they will not want to cease operating. Same thing with CO's new 777-300ERs.

 

[Altair]

I know I have looked into it before and the AA 777 models don't have the capability to operate LAX-SYD non-stop. Its something about the specific combination they ordered (weights, engines etc). I will try to find the info again and post it.

2 is not enough. You need a min of 3 for a daily service and DL bought them for specific other routes which they will not want to cease operating. Same thing with CO's new 777-300ERs.

Yeah I believe AA took a reduced max weight option, for lower landing fees, that can be rectified by a software change and a license fee to Boeing....
Still the RR may not be enough for the weight required without a hit on payload. NZ 777 may not make it either due to cabin fitout but supposedly will make the upcoming AKL-YVR non-stop, about 450 miles less.
I always thought it was strange that DL chose 2 772LR when they really need at least 3 of the type to cover the missions it is good at....but DL is in Chapter 11....

 

[Happy Dude]

Based on the OP, it seems hard to choose QF over UA. Why would you? Does anyone even have that "deep-seeded loyalty" that's referred to in the TV ads?

One indication as to which way prices would go if there was more competition on the AUS - USA routes is how hard QF is lobbying for that not to happen. Another is how fiercely the government is protecting those routes.

The prices would certainly come down, spectacularly at first, but then rise to a level suitable for all. Consumers will then go for a product they like. In a crowded market place, carriers will not have the luxury of ignoring the price or product of the competition. I can't see why it has to be any more complicated than that.

 

[clifford]

Hmmm....according to the Boeing site they have delivered to AA 47 777-200ER with RR engines from 21 January to 26 May 2006.

47 777's in 4 months?

Pretty good going.

 

[NM]

Yeah I believe AA took a reduced max weight option, for lower landing fees, that can be rectified by a software change and a license fee to Boeing....
Still the RR may not be enough for the weight required without a hit on payload. NZ 777 may not make it either due to cabin fitout but supposedly will make the upcoming AKL-YVR non-stop, about 450 miles less.
I always thought it was strange that DL chose 2 772LR when they really need at least 3 of the type to cover the missions it is good at....but DL is in Chapter 11....

Ok, I found the info. Back when AA originally ordered the 777-200s, they were called 777-200HGW (High Gross Weight). That model was subsequently called the 777-200ER. It was available in three MTOW variants, being 580,000lb, 590,000lb and 632,500lb. I cannot determine from my research just which they purchased, but as you have suggested I suspect it was not the 632,500 option.

I have done a few numbers on a few variations of 777 and 747 aircraft operating LAX-SYD and found some interesting results. Without going into all the detailed calc (happy to do so if people are interested), the 632,500lb version of the 777-200ER could make LAX-SYD with 300 passengers (AA's aircraft only have 249 seats). But the 590,000lb and 580,000lb versions could only carry 168 and 136 passengers respectively.

So I ran the numbers for a standard RR powered 744 (as used by Qantas) and came up with 321 passengers (they have 33 seats). The 744-ER runs at 384.

Then I thought it would be interesting to try it for the 777-300ER as Virgin Blue were today reported to be ordering, and it comes in at 324 passengers, making it quite an attractive aircraft for the route.

 

[Altair]

Hmmm....according to the Boeing site they have delivered to AA 47 777-200ER with RR engines from 21 January to 26 May 2006.

47 777's in 4 months?

Pretty good going.

Ok you got me....21 January 1999 to 26 May 2006.
I believe they still have 7 more orders yet fulfilled. If I really was an airplane geek I would be able to tell you slot number and expected delievery date, but I am not really one....just a notch below that level

 

[drron]

Hi,

I'm a loyal Australian living in the U.S. I want to fly
QANTAS but ...

The last time and this time United have amazingly cheap
fares to Australia.

ie. I'm travelling in May on any Su/Mo/Tu and return
Su/Mo/Tu May-June for US$1100 JFK to MEL.

Qantas for the same route is US$1800 (ouch!)

Now Qantas has a better product since each seat has
its own TV but for 3 people its $3300 vs $5400 and
$2100 will buy a lot of portable DVD players AND
movies!

Am I missing some trick with QANTAS booking? I have
84,000 frequent flyer points and would like to fly another
trip so I can qualify for a free trip back home next time!

QF now advertising JFK-SYD for $US1348.Found on Cheap airfare, hotel, car rental, cruise, and vacation deal coverage - SmarterTravel.com

 

[NM]

Hmmm....according to the Boeing site they have delivered to AA 47 777-200ER with RR engines from 21 January to 26 May 2006.
Ok you got me....21 January 1999 to 26 May 2006.
I believe they still have 7 more orders yet fulfilled. If I really was an airplane geek I would be able to tell you slot number and expected delievery date, but I am not really one....just a notch below that level

Actually, I believe AA only has two outstanding 777-200ER orders, being MSN 31480 (will be rego N763AN) and MSN 32439 (will be rego N764AN).

 

[Altair]

Actually, I believe AA only has two outstanding 777-200ER orders, being MSN 31480 (will be rego N763AN) and MSN 32439 (will be rego N764AN).

Ok I am at lunch and bored and the talk about the small earthquake we had 30 minutes ago has run its course.
I looked up the AMR Annual Report 2005, under Contractual Obligations.
"As of 31 December, 2005, the Company has commitments to accquire 2 Boeing 777-200ERs in 2006; an aggregate of 47 Beoing 737-800s and seven Beoing 777-200ERs in 2013 through to 2016. The Company has pre-arranged backstop financing available for the aircraft scheduled to be delivered in 2006."
Boeing still has them committed but with such a long time to delivery time I doubt they have been given any MSN or even if they will be delivered as AA may convert them to 787 orders. The 737-800 should be delivered to increase capacit and replace soem Mad Dogs.
As an aside AA should be reporting on their full year soon.
Oh how did this become an AA post when it was about someone wanting help t help Qantas?

 

[NM]

I looked up the AMR Annual Report 2005, under Contractual Obligations.
"As of 31 December, 2005, the Company has commitments to accquire 2 Boeing 777-200ERs in 2006; an aggregate of 47 Beoing 737-800s and seven Beoing 777-200ERs in 2013 through to 2016. The Company has pre-arranged backstop financing available for the aircraft scheduled to be delivered in 2006."

AA did take delivery of two new 777-200ERs during 2006. MSN 33539 was delivered 30/03/2006 as N767AJ and MSN 33540 was delivered on 26/05/2006 as N768AA.

The have also taken delivery of MSN 29956 on 05/01/2007 as N780AN. However, it is being leased by Boeing from AA for a period of 2 years for flight testing.

So I assume the two mentioned in the 2005 annual report for delivery in 2006 are those identified above.

So that is a total of 47 delivered (including N780AN). I think they modified delivery dates for the remaining orders some time after that 2005 annual report was penned, resulting in two more actually given slots (being MSN31480 and MSN32439) and the others being deferred with no actual slots or delivery dates.

As for 737-800, I am seeing 77 in active service and a further 14 on order at the present time. The orders have been allocated MSN 29554 through to 29571. The last 737-800 deliveries were MSN 29550 (N977AN) and MSN 30100 (N978AN) on 20/12/2001.

Oh how did this become an AA post when it was about someone wanting help t help Qantas?

 

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