Freedom of speech

[JohnK]

Don't mind the people it actually affects, because you do not think it is offensive, that is all ok, seriously....



Wow, just wow. I think @MEL_Traveller has said what needs to be said regarding your first paragraph there.

But I'll make a comment on the second. Yes John it is a tough world out there, and it should be our aim as a society to improve this, like calling out someone for denigrating and further marginalising groups of a society.

Who decides what's offensive? Society?

Expecting me to accept being Parent 2 and not acknowledge whether I have a son/daughter but rather a child, to me is stupid and very offensive. How about you? Think it's ok? Don't try to change me. Don't try to change the majority.

A few people have understood my point. Israel Folau mentioned 8 things in that post yet quite a few people on this thread have focused on only one of those 8 things.

I have no issue with trying to identify bullies and educate them to behave how society expects tham to behave. But at the same time we should also try to help those who need help the most to help them get through life. This is a very innocent statement that should not make anyone feel offended in any way.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Who decides what's offensive? Society?

Expecting me to accept being Parent 2 and not acknowledge whether I have a son/daughter but rather a child, to me is stupid and very offensive. How about you? Think it's ok? Don't try to change me. Don't try to change the majority.

A few people have understood my point. Israel Folau mentioned 8 things in that post yet quite a few people on this thread have focused on only one of those 8 things.

I have no issue with trying to identify bullies and educate them to behave how society expects tham to behave. But at the same time we should also try to help those who need help the most to help them get through life. This is a very innocent statement that should not make anyone feel offended in any way.

It actually doesn’t worry me. Does it actually affect you in any way to be called ‘parent 2’?

We’ve focused on the one item out of Folau’s list because that is the one thing he knows can’t be changed, and is not a choice. No reason for him to include it on the list other than to gain media attention.

 

[dajop]

because that is the one thing he knows can’t be changed, and is not a choice.

Well, does he know that it can't be changed? Part of the issue is that many people still do believe it can be changed, for example ... Conversion therapy - Wikipedia (For it's flaws, Joel Edgerton's Boy Erased film gives an interesting and disturbing insight into the concept).

FWIW, from personal experience, the only choice is whether to suppress (lie) or give in to natural desires/urges (be honest).

 

[rock86]

Who decides what's offensive? Society?

Expecting me to accept being Parent 2 and not acknowledge whether I have a son/daughter but rather a child, to me is stupid and very offensive. How about you? Think it's ok? Don't try to change me. Don't try to change the majority.

I presume you are referencing the Tasmanian Governments decision? If so, they are not telling you can and can not do anything, they are actually just giving people the option to do such a thing if they wish - hardly trying to change the majority.

A few people have understood my point. Israel Folau mentioned 8 things in that post yet quite a few people on this thread have focused on only one of those 8 things.

@MEL_Traveller has explained that reason pretty well, no point in beating my head against a wall also on it.

I have no issue with trying to identify bullies and educate them to behave how society expects tham to behave. But at the same time we should also try to help those who need help the most to help them get through life. This is a very innocent statement that should not make anyone feel offended in any way.

You do realise the contradiction in this paragraph compared to your previous posts? Homosexuals are still a marginalised group of society, they have higher rates of mental health issues, suicide etc. and are a group that does need our help to reduce these issues surrounding a persons sexual orientation. Part of this is to identify behaviour and speech that denigrates this group and further alienates some which can be having serious issues over being true to their sexual orientation, this is something that as you have said needs to be educated that it is not ok.

 

[Pushka]

It actually doesn’t worry me. Does it actually affect you in any way to be called ‘parent 2’?

We’ve focused on the one item out of Folau’s list because that is the one thing he knows can’t be changed, and is not a choice. No reason for him to include it on the list other than to gain media attention.

I would have hated to have been called parent 1 or 2. And is Parent 1 mum or dad? And yes it affects me and makes me angry. We are becoming amorphous blobs these days. Of course there is still choice. But the fact you even ask that question of JohnK I find quite interesting.

 

[drron]

It actually doesn’t worry me. Does it actually affect you in any way to be called ‘parent 2’?

We’ve focused on the one item out of Folau’s list because that is the one thing he knows can’t be changed, and is not a choice. No reason for him to include it on the list other than to gain media attention.

Really?Have you visited Folau's Instagram account?I would think every rugby obsessed youth who has visited that account would very likely not have done so again unless they were basically fundamentalist Christians.
So if the SJWs had left it alone the media would not have been involved and extremely few gay youths would have been exposed to these thoughts.

 

[rock86]

Really?Have you visited Folau's Instagram account?I would think every rugby obsessed youth who has visited that account would very likely not have done so again unless they were basically fundamentalist Christians.
So if the SJWs had left it alone the media would not have been involved and extremely few gay youths would have been exposed to these thoughts.

All sport stars who chose to post on social media accept the responsibility they are posting on a public platform and they are an ambassador for their code (that is why they get paid big dollars!), to infer otherwise is a little disingenuous.

 

[drron]

All sport stars who chose to post on social media accept the responsibility they are posting on a public platform and they are an ambassador for their code (that is why they get paid big dollars!), to infer otherwise is a little disingenuous.

So have you visited Folau's Instagram site?
I have and believe me very few would go back unless they were in to christianity.

 

[rock86]

So have you visited Folau's Instagram site?

I have.

I have and believe me very few would go back unless they were in to christianity.

The thing is, you don't have to 'go back' because his instagram & twitter feed can be shared by his followers so his post can pop up on anyone's feed under his handle. That is why when a sports star chooses to post on social media they accept the responsibility that they are posting on a public platform for everyone to see.

 

[RooFlyer]

Remember the 18C case that involved three uni students? That makes 2/2 for the justice system overruling the thought police. Will Folau make it 3/3?

Currently 2/3 if you include the Bolt case.

 

[Isochronous]

It actually doesn’t worry me. Does it actually affect you in any way to be called ‘parent 2’?

We’ve focused on the one item out of Folau’s list because that is the one thing he knows can’t be changed, and is not a choice. No reason for him to include it on the list other than to gain media attention.

To use PC speak:

You are denying JohnK's identity as a male and father. Thus you are misandrist in refusing to acknowledge him as such.

Moreover, it is a denial of biological reality. Every child has a mother and a father, no matter how much certain rainbow fascists might wish otherwise.

 

[marki]

And on the thread topic, let's celebrate the court victory of Prof Ridd of JCU against the dead hand of 'climate science concensus' bullies and Universities in particular. This is from the paywalledOz ( not being reported on the ABC ).

Cannot agree more

 

[marki]

Remember the 18C case that involved three uni students? That makes 2/2 for the justice system overruling the thought police. Will Folau make it 3/3?

I shudder every time 18C is mentioned in print! Just don't comment on anything that looks slightly weird. Even though we are encouraged to do so by ASIO.

 

[love_the_life]

To use PC speak:

You are denying JohnK's identity as a male and father. Thus you are misandrist in refusing to acknowledge him as such.

Moreover, it is a denial of biological reality. Every child has a mother and a father, no matter how much certain rainbow fascists might wish otherwise.

Well no, they are not. They simply asked if it affected JohnK to be called Parent 2. It obviously does as it was important for him to be listed as father which is fine and his. right. No one is legislating that he couldn't.
My understanding from your posts that you seem to feel that same sex families have little place in your world. As an aside, what happens to the birth certificates of children born from anonymous donors, or surrogates or conceived after a 'one-night stand' where the parent identity is not known?

 

[marki]

I would have hated to have been called parent 1 or 2. And is Parent 1 mum or dad? And yes it affects me and makes me angry. We are becoming amorphous blobs these days. Of course there is still choice. But the fact you even ask that question of JohnK I find quite interesting.

I am sure this is the genesis of Banana 1 and Banana 2

 

[Pushka]

I am sure this is the genesis of Banana 1 and Banana 2

Yikes. My kids loved these!

 

[Pushka]

Well no, they are not. They simply asked if it affected JohnK to be called Parent 2. It obviously does as it was important for him to be listed as father which is fine and his. right. No one is legislating that he couldn't.
My understanding from your posts that you seem to feel that same sex families have little place in your world. As an aside, what happens to the birth certificates of children born from anonymous donors, or surrogates or conceived after a 'one-night stand' where the parent identity is not known?

Wouldn’t they state “father unknown” unless in a marriage or de facto relationship where the “father” status could read as the other partner.

 

[Franky]

The poor petals in the other department might have to find a bit of academic resilience.

I would have thought a bit of academic honesty would have been just as important.

 

[love_the_life]

Wouldn’t they state “father unknown” unless in a marriage or de facto relationship where the “father” status could read as the other partner.

Nit sure - though is the line left blank (it used to be in the 'olden days'). If it's a same sex. family, is the non-birth parent allowed to be listed in that space?

 

[JohnK]

It actually doesn’t worry me. Does it actually affect you in any way to be called ‘parent 2’?

Absolutely and I'm also offended. I'm a father and I have a daughter and extremely proud of both.

If the push included optional changes to birth certificates to remove gender from them then that is fine but to force people to adopt changes they don't want is an insult.

This Israel Folau thing has gone too far. If you're not religious what he said should be irrelevant, vulnerable or not vulnerable. If you're religious then none of what he said should be news to you.

Political correctness is out of control.