FlyDubai incident 30/9

[futaris]

‘Hero’ captain in bloody struggle on terror flight trained in NZ

Israeli media, citing security officials, said the incident stemmed from a feud between the plane’s two pilots, and everyone on board was safe.

www.stuff.co.nz

One of the most thorough news articles on this.

 

[Daver6]

How did the rogue pilot get a pocketknife on board in the first place?

Precisely what I was wondering. Is there ordinarily some tools in the coughpit that could have been used as a weapon perhaps?

 

[Quickstatus]

AI suggests that a small axe is kept inside the flight deck

 

[Aussie_flyer]

Now that 2nd door between the cabin and the galley area they are making a requirement in the US - how would that have affected this? It might have prevented the backup crew and passengers from saving the day had it been locked at that moment.

 

[Quickstatus]

how would that have affected this?

isn't that cabin crew controlled?

 

[Quickstatus]

It might be of use where both pilots were incapacitated, but not of use where one pilot is acting deliberately.

Ah yes, I think that's what happened in the Germanwings.

One pilot in cabin trying to get back in. Pushed the code. Wait out the delay but the rogue pilot in the flight deck kept cancelling it.

 

[MEL_Traveller]

Now that 2nd door between the cabin and the galley area they are making a requirement in the US - how would that have affected this? It might have prevented the backup crew and passengers from saving the day had it been locked at that moment.

The second door is for when a pilot leaves the flight deck. So in this instance it will likely not have been deployed.

It is possible however that on hearing a commotion, and attempting to enter the flight deck themselves, cabin crew may lock such a door to prevent passenger access. That would have been detrimental in this case, preventing assistance reaching the controls.

 

[tomlee1986]

Slightly Off Topic but related to this incident - Air Crash Investigations TV documentary actually saved this flight!! This Documentary is normally shown on Channel 7 and who would have thought this documentaries saves lives??

Israeli plumber who controlled plunging jet learned to fly from TV SHOW

THE hero Israeli plumber who took control of the plunging Flydubai plane has revealed he learned to fly from a TV show. Yaniv Hayoun was among the passengers who helped thwart “Israel’s 9/11”…

www.thesun.co.uk

 

[RooFlyer]

It is possible however that on hearing a commotion, and attempting to enter the flight deck themselves, cabin crew may lock such a door to prevent passenger access. That would have been detrimental in this case, preventing assistance reaching the controls.

I think it might have delayed things but not prevented as I’m sure the second door would’ve been quickly opened by the Cabin crew between the coughpit door and the second door.

Maybe this incident will prompt the protocols in the US being underlined that the second door should be locked only in the case of one of the pilots emerging from the coughpit.

 

[jb747]

How did the passengers get into the flight deck?

Apparently the injured Captain let them in.

Appears the aircraft landed without a rudder.

Lack of a rudder wouldn't be an issue in most cases. But, its loss is probably from flutter, which would indicate that the aircraft was well beyond the normal flight regime. I think that they were probably lucky that it didn't break up when the NON PILOT was recovering from the dive. You can't (or at least shouldn't) just pull. At about 4g major bits are going to start coming off.

 

[Quickstatus]

At about 4g major bits are going to start coming off.

What's your estimate of net vertical acceleration in the cabin during the descent?

 

[jb747]

What's your estimate of net vertical acceleration in the cabin during the descent?

There really isn't enough information to guess. Less than 4, because it stayed in one piece, and more than 2 'cos it actually recovered.

 

[MooTime]

Wasn't it 14,000feet in 29sec??

What's that equivalent to?

 

[Quickstatus]

Wasn't it 14,000feet in 29sec??

That is just distance travelled in 29 seconds - does not tell us much.
We now initial vertical velocity is zero - the aircraft flying level.

In order to calculate acceleration we need final velocity before non pilot pulled back on controls in order to calculate change in velocity over a period of time.

 

[Quickstatus]

more than 2 'cos it actually recovered.

Thanks
Noreports of passengers flying in the cabin,
Most of the acceleration would be coming out of the descent

 

[MEL_Traveller]

I think it might have delayed things but not prevented as I’m sure the second door would’ve been quickly opened by the Cabin crew between the coughpit door and the second door.

Maybe this incident will prompt the protocols in the US being underlined that the second door should be locked only in the case of one of the pilots emerging from the coughpit.

But a delay of seconds could be critical.

By the time they realise what’s going on I’m sure the first thing on their mind isn’t going to be ‘we’ve got to unlock the secondary safety door’ - to allow pax to rush forward and assist.

 

[Saab34]

Just imagine if this went down, would have been a huge Boeing pile on until they got more detail from the onboard recording.

I wonder what the deadheading crew had been thinking when it started going off track. No doubt thought it was another MAX issue.