Emirates sues Australians after flying them to wrong destination - OUCH, it is true

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I came across this news article and have been assured it is 100% true.

Being a trusting person I then double checked - and it checks out unfortunately.

https://www.comcourts.gov.au/file/Federal/P/NSD523/2014/actions

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It really does bring a new meaning to customer service, a bit like the line from the movie Fletch, "Ben Dover, pleased to meet you.".... you get the picture.


Emirates sues passengers after flying them to wrong destination | Altmedia

When Australians Vjeckoslav Matic and Matt Atkins boarded an Emirates flight to New York in 2012, they knew they were flying into a storm.

But it would be a different kind to the hurricane they’d been watching ravage their destination on TV screens throughout Sydney airport.

It was a legal tempest with the world’s largest airline that would envelop the environmental engineer and film sales professional for the next three years and test the sea wall of Australian consumer law.

It was no surprise to the pair that when their plane landed in Dubai to refuel, their following flight to New York was cancelled. As per standard industry practice, Emirates gave them a coupon to stay in a hotel for three nights until the next available flight to New York.

But in the middle of that night, they received a knock on the door. It was an Emirates staff member who told them the carrier, which in 2012 raked in US $575 million of profit, was no longer prepared to pay for their short stay in Dubai. Instead they were told they would have to fly to an alternative destination that morning.

Their options were San Francisco, Washington DC and Dallas, all of which being more than 2400 kilometres away from the destination printed on their tickets. With Washington airport likely to be also closed, and Dallas being the next closest destination to New York, the pair opted to fly there.

They then drove for five days in budget rental cars to New York, where they were moving to work.

It was the cost of car hire and accommodation during their journey from Dallas to New York that they sought from Emirates.

After attempts from Mr Matic and Mr Atkins to settle outside of court, in which they were prepared to settle for as little as $1000 reimbursement, they took Emirates to the ACT Civil and Administrative Tribunal (ACAT) and won.

Last May, ACAT ordered that Emirates pay the passengers $1891.68.

But not only did Emirates refuse to adhere to the judgement, they sued Mr Matic, Mr Atkins and ACAT in the Federal court later that month. Emirates demanded that ACAT revoke its decision and claimed $11,000 in legal costs from the passengers.

“It was clear to us on that first night in Dubai, bullying was a tactic they were happy to use when dealing with customers,” Mr Matic said.
The airline cited the 1999 Montreal Convention, of which Australia is a signatory, which states in article 33 that “an action for damages must be brought […] either before the court of the domicile of the carrier or of its principal place of business.”

Emirates has argued that ACAT did not have the jurisdiction to deal with the case as it is not a court.

It costs more than $3500 to initiate proceedings in the Federal Court. A room for two people at the Copthorne Airport Hotel, where Mr Matic and Mr Atkins were initially accommodated, costs around $100 a night in today’s prices.
 
Re: Emirates sues Australians after flying them to wrong destination - OUCH, it is tr

Sounds to me more like "Emirates appeals to the Federal Court against an adverse ACAT decision", but I guess that's not such good clickbait as "Emirates sues pax" :)
 
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Re: Emirates sues Australians after flying them to wrong destination - OUCH, it is tr

Maybe an overblown headline but what a reaction from Emirates.Fails the pub test.
Really can no longer understand why QF hopped into the tent with them.
 
Re: Emirates sues Australians after flying them to wrong destination - OUCH, it is tr

Definitely fails the pub test and a marketing disaster if aca et al get hold of it
 
Re: Emirates sues Australians after flying them to wrong destination - OUCH, it is tr

Wow... Why on earth wouldn't Emirates just cover their passengers' costs and move on?
 
Re: Emirates sues Australians after flying them to wrong destination - OUCH, it is tr

Sounds to me more like "Emirates appeals to the Federal Court against an adverse ACAT decision", but I guess that's not such good clickbait as "Emirates sues pax" :)


Well no, reading the filing by Emirates they are suing for multiple remedies, including the costs of the Fed Court Action, past legal costs, interest on amounts owed etc.

They are seeking much more than an over-turning of the ACAT decision (which they appear to have not bothered to attend or be represented at. They keep seeking adjournments (bleeding the two passengers who need to be represented at each Federal Court hearing) etc.

So if the following happened to you, say would you not object to being flown to Adelaide instead of the ticket you had purchased to Perth from say Melbourne?

And then having to pay from your own pocket the cost of a hire car (as no flights available) to get to Perth to start your new job?

And not receive any refund for the difference in the cost of destinations?

For once, it makes Q seem generous in how it treated another AFFer's parents coming back from the US!

http://www.australianfrequentflyer....ram/downgraded-from-business-class-63686.html
 
Re: Emirates sues Australians after flying them to wrong destination - OUCH, it is tr

Definitely fails the pub test and a marketing disaster if aca et al get hold of it


I am surprised that Q has not had a quiet discussion about the typical Australian reaction to bullies.

Not a good look for Q's partner Emirates to be taking on two people who did not get flown to their destination, never received any refund or compensation and appear to have never been responded to politely.

After mentioning the issue with EmilyP's parents (see above post) it makes me wonder whether the US Dept of Transport may be worth an email by the two travellers? Especially as one now lives in the US.
 
Re: Emirates sues Australians after flying them to wrong destination - OUCH, it is tr

Why would you choose to fly to ny via dubai in the first place?
 
Re: Emirates sues Australians after flying them to wrong destination - OUCH, it is tr

Full story please?

Why wouldn't you look after your passengers? What would 3 nights in that hotel cost? Pittance compared to final payout and/or court costs.
 
Re: Emirates sues Australians after flying them to wrong destination - OUCH, it is tr

Full story please?

Why wouldn't you look after your passengers? What would 3 nights in that hotel cost? Pittance compared to final payout and/or court costs.

I don't know the story but I'd guess Emirates were pretty full up on the next NYC flight and comparatively empty on the flights they offered. So putting them on the sooner emptier flights would save them plenty. The only potential loss is them getting back to NYC and presumably that would be a cheap flight so no worries.

The Aussies decided to give them the finger and rack up a hefty bill on the way back, so Emirates gave them the finger right back. Passengers won the case in ACAT. Emirates called bogus jurisdiction. And here we are. Lot more prideful posturing than sense.
 
Re: Emirates sues Australians after flying them to wrong destination - OUCH, it is tr

The Aussies decided to give them the finger and rack up a hefty bill on the way back, so Emirates gave them the finger right back. Passengers won the case in ACAT. Emirates called bogus jurisdiction. And here we are. Lot more prideful posturing than sense.

A hefty bill - $1800 over 5 days - that way we're willing to settle for $1000 !!

It is a 2.5hr flight or 22hr drive - so not short, albeit probably not 5 days either -- although they would still be suffering jet lag
 
Re: Emirates sues Australians after flying them to wrong destination - OUCH, it is tr

A hefty bill - $1800 over 5 days - that way we're willing to settle for $1000 !!

It is a 2.5hr flight or 22hr drive - so not short, albeit probably not 5 days either -- although they would still be suffering jet lag

Hefty bill compared with the expected flight costs of maybe $200.

Not that I'm on Emirates side but I think both parties are doing plenty of bird flippin.
 
Re: Emirates sues Australians after flying them to wrong destination - OUCH, it is tr

Agreed.

That said I would expect Emirates would have booked them on a flight to New York, not just dumped then in Dallas
 
Re: Emirates sues Australians after flying them to wrong destination - OUCH, it is tr

Well no, reading the filing by Emirates they are suing for multiple remedies, including the costs of the Fed Court Action, past legal costs, interest on amounts owed etc.

They are seeking much more than an over-turning of the ACAT decision (which they appear to have not bothered to attend or be represented at. They keep seeking adjournments (bleeding the two passengers who need to be represented at each Federal Court hearing) etc.

Seeking costs both past and current is standard on an appeal document. It doesn't mean that any costs order will actually get enforced, even if it is awarded. If you are correct that they didn't bother to appear at ACAT then their past legal costs are going to be zero.

I don't understand how they can legitimately be claiming interest.

I suspect that Emirates are appealing because they don't want a precedent set that pax can go to a consumer tribunal. There is presumably much more at stake in Emirates' eyes than the claim of these particular pax. Therefore as usual the 'pub test' is only good for creating outrage and not for considering the real issues.

Of course Emirates would have been much better off treating the pax properly in the first place so that the pax didn't go to ACAT at all, and then there wouldn't have been this (in Emirates' eyes) unfortunate precedent which is now going to keep the lawyers very happy appealing against.
 
Re: Emirates sues Australians after flying them to wrong destination - OUCH, it is tr

I thought there was already a thread on this.
 
Re: Emirates sues Australians after flying them to wrong destination - OUCH, it is tr

I thought there was already a thread on this.


You could be correct but I tried doing several searches which uncovered a number of non-customer service horror stories (yes not often that people take the effort to create - it was a perfect custoimer service handling by...). Challenge for you - see if you can find another thread? The search function did not find this thread on any search (1st 10 pages of results that is) and the search with Emirates and ACAT I was sure would have it!

From my perspective the key issues were:
  • Mucking around the two passengers at Dubai (sending to hotel for several day stay & then wake them up a few hours later, quick get up and leave, you're going to be left at an airport somewhere other than where you booked to).
  • No offer of compensation or help to get to their final destination from 'dropped off airport'.
  • Refusal to pay something, anything to cost of getting to paid for destination.
  • Refusal to participate in ACAT hearing
  • Stalling tactics to bleed the two pax dry in legal costs with Federal Court

Yes things do go wrong and plans have to change.

However, common sense not authoritarianism = customer service.

I wonder if it was the fact that two men were travelling together on the same booking caused Emirates to react as they did in Dubai and subsequently? Who knows - regardless this is not what should be done.
 
Re: Emirates sues Australians after flying them to wrong destination - OUCH, it is tr

I think the first mistake was leaving the hotel without a re-confirmed air ticket to their destination, via an intermediate port. And the second mistake was not saying, "sorry guys, we are staying in this hotel you have provided as per your rules due to you cancelling our original flight, until you have a flight in accordance with our ticket".

Now, as for 2 guys travelling together on the same booking...well that is a matter for the hotel and or the local police to determine if any local laws are being broken.

The whole issue reads quite bad for Emirates.
 
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