Cancellation Paterns

Pom-DownUnder

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Not sure if i'm just seeing ghosts but going to be flying this on a thursday in not too long. Been keeping an eye on it and looks like out of the last 4 weeks the thursday flight has only happened once.
Seeing shadows or should I be looking to try and work something around?
3/8/23
10/8/23
24/8/23
All thursdays

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I would not stress. If QF cancels the flight, it is on them to make it right. If you make a change, you'll have to pay out of pocket and who knows what you change into could just as easily cancel or get a schedule change! Just have in the back of your mind what you want if that flight goes IRROPs.

-RooFlyer88
 
I would not stress. If QF cancels the flight, it is on them to make it right. If you make a change, you'll have to pay out of pocket and who knows what you change into could just as easily cancel or get a schedule change! Just have in the back of your mind what you want if that flight goes IRROPs.

-RooFlyer88
yea I have a linked but separate ticket flight 5 hours after landing in SIN
 
I would not stress. If QF cancels the flight, it is on them to make it right. If you make a change, you'll have to pay out of pocket and who knows what you change into could just as easily cancel or get a schedule change! Just have in the back of your mind what you want if that flight goes IRROPs.

-RooFlyer88
It’s a bit mike Minimum Connecting Time vs *sensible* connecting time. What are should do isn’t always the easiest option for passengers. An airline may have an obligation to get you somewhere, but it may not be the best option for the passenger.

Sometimes it pays huge dividends to do the research and be proactive.

In this case however I agree there’s little benefit to trying to resolve this in advance. Unless a waiver or IRROPS advice has been issued, and unless you can get through to a call centre that can understand the issue, there’s unlikely to be an outcome without a fee involved to change flights. The stress is unlikely to be worth it.
 
yea I have a linked but separate ticket flight 5 hours after landing in SIN
I must warn you that there is always a risk when you have separate tickets for not being covered in the event of a misconnection. Hopefully there is some re-protection in a misconnect but that's not a guarantee. What I will say is changing your flights around won't solve much. That flight could also get delayed or cancelled. What I think you want psychologically is some peace of mind, some safety net that you won't end up getting stranded on those separate tickets. And that's something no airline can offer you. Maybe you could fly out the day earlier but then you are incurring extra expense and may not be worth it. What I will say as someone who has pulled this stunt before with connecting flights on separate tickets internationally is you just need to be prepared when things go sideways, having back up options ready to read the airline.

-RooFlyer88
 
is it weird that its thursdays geting cancelled though?
It’s probably the rotation of the aircraft or something. Who knows. Sometimes there are patterns, pre-covid the JQ 787s to SIN would regularly get cancelled so they could put the aircraft on other routes to make up for delays.
 
I must warn you that there is always a risk when you have separate tickets for not being covered in the event of a misconnection. Hopefully there is some re-protection in a misconnect but that's not a guarantee. What I will say is changing your flights around won't solve much. That flight could also get delayed or cancelled. What I think you want psychologically is some peace of mind, some safety net that you won't end up getting stranded on those separate tickets. And that's something no airline can offer you. Maybe you could fly out the day earlier but then you are incurring extra expense and may not be worth it. What I will say as someone who has pulled this stunt before with connecting flights on separate tickets internationally is you just need to be prepared when things go sideways, having back up options ready to read the airline.

-RooFlyer88
Yea I'm well aware of the risks as it were. Was the only way to get them booked unfortunately and day before is the Mrs birthday so ... yea ... lol.

Happy to ride the risk just think its weird how its the same day, to see 3 out of 4 flights cancelled in a month all happen on the same day of the week when every other occurance of the flight occured normally just seems weird to m.
 
Happy to ride the risk just think its weird how its the same day, to see 3 out of 4 flights cancelled in a month all happen on the same day of the week when every other occurance of the flight occured normally just seems weird to m.
The best thing you can do right now would be just having a look at what alternate flights there are that day, first with Qantas but then with other airlines offering nonstops like Singapore and Scoot. Have those in your back pocket so that if it does cancel you know what to do. Ideally you should have a priority list of the flights you want to be on, keeping in mind that money is no option in these instances. As a general rule, if Qantas does cancel your flight, you should be able to simply select whatever Qantas flight has seats available in your cabin and be booked into that provided you are travelling within the same week of travel. There would be no change fee or difference in fare or any concern about whether there is classic award availability since Qantas made initiated the change by cancelling the flight. If for some reason there are no Qantas flights that day, your next step would be getting them to put you on another airline like Singapore or Scoot that offers non-stop service (remember non-stop is always preferred against connecting since fewer things can go wrong). They may hesitate, but keep pushing telling them that you have a connecting flight. Airlines don't like pushing you onto non-partner airlines since they cannot get the same discounted rate during IRROPs that they would get with alliance partners but the good airlines will do.

My guess is that if your superstition is correct here and this does follow a pattern (i.e. it's planned), Qantas won't do the cancellation at the last minute. The reason being is having to deal with hundreds of frustrated customers at the international terminal can be costly for the airline versus cancelling a couple days before where customers can use the online rebooking tool (if that works) or alternatively call up the airline and wait on hold for a few hours. In any event, when you see that cancellation notice from Qantas, it's go time. You want to use the tool/get in touch ASAP and secure the best alternative you have, keeping in mind the longer you wait the more likely the good alternates go away. The cancellation can also happen at the airport, in which case you'd want to stand in line at customer service, whilst checking your phone to see if you can rebook over the app whilst also being on the phone with Qantas. This is arguably the most stressful part of travelling but can happen.

The key thing is not to panic or be stressed out. Remember, the second you start getting stressed your mind will shut down and you'll stop thinking of creative solutions. To give you an example, I booked my mom and dad to fly out to New Brunswick to visit my sister. Well they show up to the airport and surprise surprise the flight is cancelled. They are travelling in business class so you'd expect Air Canada would help them out. No! They were told to call the toll-free number and an agent told them it would be 4 days before they got to Saint John. My Dad blew his top but fortunately I was on the same flight as him, and also landed in Toronto, and told him we'll get this sorted out. Escorted him to a hidden part of the airport where the concierges live, explain the situation. Sure enough, no flights to Saint John for several days. But then I got thinking, what about nearby airports? Turns out there was a flight the following morning to Moncton (about an hour drive from Saint John) available in business class. So instead of having to cancel this trip to New Brunswick they managed to get there (albeit delayed), all because someone thought of solutions rather than stewing at the inconvenience they were in.

-RooFlyer88
 
There is also 'cancelled' with a days notice and 'cancelled' at the last minute. I think FlightAware will log each as the same 'cancelled' without reference to the actual customer experience on the day.

Last August in Bali I was tracking those 787s and regular cancellations/delays. On the day we flew it was perfectly on time.
 
There is also 'cancelled' with a days notice and 'cancelled' at the last minute. I think FlightAware will log each as the same 'cancelled' without reference to the actual customer experience on the day.

Last August in Bali I was tracking those 787s and regular cancellations/delays. On the day we flew it was perfectly on time.
Yea had a bit of a look around and couldnt see anywhere to get more info on why a flight was cancelled. annoying.
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Going on Kangaroos advice i've look up other flights similar times and jetstar has one literally 5 mins later than my intended. so hopefully thats a decent backup, going business on qantas but if its canned it'll be grab whatever the hell i can time. i'm considering parking a eco seat on the jetstar as its only 20k points which I could kill on the day and get like 15k back.
 
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The August 24th flight was cancelled August 24th 09:46am per FlightStats, so 2h14m before departure. I don't have a premium subscription to check earlier days unfortunately.

With that said, those 3 cancellations (24th, 10th, and 3rd of August) are the only cancellations of QF35 I can see since 27th December 2022.
 

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