British Airways (BA) has moved to cut ties with Qantas Airways Limited

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jaffa

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Just released via online news ninemsn


British Airways (BA) has moved to cut ties with Qantas Airways Limited (ASX: QAN), by ending a code-share agreement for connecting flights from Asia to London, when the partnership ends on March 31.
According to the Australian Financial Review (AFR), British Airways was ‘furious’ about the way Qantas handled the announcement of its deal with Emirates. Qantas announced plans to fly its passengers around Europe via Emirates, and will fly through Dubai to London, rather than via Singapore or Hong Kong as it has done for many years.

As part of the deal with Emirates, Qantas also cut its joint venture with British Airways for flights to London, although Qantas said that passengers who wanted to go through Singapore and Hong Kong could still take the final leg with BA. Now that appears unlikely.

The AFR reports that while commercial discussions are still continuing, both British Airways and Qantas are part of the oneworld alliance, so passengers will still reap some benefits flying either airline.

Consumers will be unable to book tickets to London via Singapore or Hong Kong through Qantas’ website if the deal ends. For Qantas, this looms as a risk as the Australian Consumer and Competition Commission (ACCC) has yet to approve its deal with Emirates. Should it fall through, Qantas may be forced to go cap in hand back to British Airways to renegotiate a deal.

The code share agreement with Emirates was designed to cut the losses pouring out of Qantas’ unprofitable routes into Europe, and allow Qantas to focus more on direct flights into Asia.
 

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So what's new? The codeshare ending was announced by QF a while ago.

Also from the information we are getting from out managers, QF and BA still have a great relationship.
 

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So what's new? The codeshare ending was announced by QF a while ago.

Also from the information we are getting from out managers, QF and BA still have a great relationship.


I think its all codeshares, rather than the ones already advised.
 

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I think its all codeshares, rather than the ones already advised.

The codeshares from LHR are still continuing to the ports that EK do not serve, as well as the BA number on some QF domestic flights.
 

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The codeshares from LHR are still continuing to the ports that EK do not serve, as well as the BA number on some QF domestic flights.

AFR are suggesting they may cease, which is the subject under discussion.
 

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From a daily QF news email:

British Airways and Qantas codeshare
agreement
– The media are reporting that in response to our alliance with Emirates, British Airways intends to end our long standing codeshare agreement. We announced last
year that we would be transitioning from what was a joint services agreement to
what will be a mix of codeshare and interline arrangements. Qantas and British
Airways however retain a very good relationship. British Airways will continue
to put its code on Qantas flights between Asia and Australia, and on Qantas
domestically. We will continue to have our code on some British Airways flights
between London and destinations in Europe not served by Emirates, and customers
will still be able to travel with us from
Australia to Singapore or Hong Kong, and then on to London with British Airways,
under the oneworld banner. We are also adjusting
codeshare arrangements with Cathay Pacific and Air France, as part of setting up
the joint Qantas-Emirates network
 

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QF didn't do a good job of explaining this one. I'm a QF supporter but not an Emirates one so will be finding alternatives on this route.

matt
 

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So what's new? The codeshare ending was announced by QF a while ago.

Also from the information we are getting from out managers, QF and BA still have a great relationship.

The ending of the JSA was annouced months ago, with Qantas saying they could continue to codeshare, say BKK-LHR, HKG-LHR or SIN-LHR on BA. It appears as if this just about not code sharing on THOSE routes. If you read Ben Sandliands blog you would think that ALL BA codeshares are coming to an end.

I guess it explains the $13000+ cost for my trip CBR-LHR-BKK-CBR using BA LHR-BKK. If priced CBR-LHR-DXB-BKK-CBR without BA it comes out at ~$1800.
 

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Insider,

what your saying re QF's statements is probally just that, "QF's view.
But now we seem to be finally hearing some of the BA view which seems somewhat different from QF's.

It seems clear from the news posting that BA is confirming or at least indicating that codeshares from Asia to Lon visa versa will cease.

Your post re the QF response to the story seems to ignore this.

It is what QF is not saying re the codeshares that has me puzzled.
 

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The AFR article is actually quite good and does have some analysis of the EK deal. It is clear though that the codeshare changes are just the one impacted by the JSA.
 

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That email is pretty clear in saying QF codeshares between Asia and London are going.
 

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I think BA are going to do pretty good business out of OZ come April. New cabins, arrive/leave from T5, CCR access for F travellers & the much loved SIN stopover.....

I hope they do really well & bring back BA9/10:D
 

ajw373

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That email is pretty clear in saying QF codeshares between Asia and London are going.


Though the response suggests what is going is code shares from London to destinations in Europe served by Emirates, but code shares HKG/SIN/BKK to LHR are staying.
 

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The AFR has led with a few stories re QF that became a fact further down the track in the past year or so, I would view their work as credible if not yet factual.
 

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I think BA are going to do pretty good business out of OZ come April. New cabins, arrive/leave from T5, CCR access for F travellers & the much loved SIN stopover.....

I hope they do really well & bring back BA9/10:D

I'm nervously looking at points earn. Have I missed anything recently? I have a J return to Blighty in July. 560 SC's, 100% platinum bonus, and 25% cabin bonus have been very nice little earners for me. BA has had some competitive pricing over the last couple of years so I have been averaging a couple of trips a year with them...and I don't mind the J product.

@medhead wouldn't you at least expect a stab at grammar in a "news email"?
 

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I'm nervously looking at points earn. Have I missed anything recently? I have a J return to Blighty in July. 560 SC's, 100% platinum bonus, and 25% cabin bonus have been very nice little earners for me. BA has had some competitive pricing over the last couple of years so I have been averaging a couple of trips a year with them...and I don't mind the J product.

Agreed.

And another thing that BA has over QF is award availability.....obtaining 4 or 5 seats in J or F is easy compared to the dry well that QF gets you to draw from.
 

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If you look at the retimed flights, I see the problem with the Asian codeshares being the lengthy layovers enroute from Australia to LHR (with the exception of QF5). Some of these will be as long as 7 hrs (eg MEL-SIN on QF then SIN-LHR on BA).
 
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