Baggage Allowance

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To stop the thread hijak occurring in another thread (Domestic Seat Allocation) I have added NM's reply to my question and opened a new thread. The additional info might help NM :mrgreen:

Flights:

BNE-LAX-JFK QF
JFK-LHR, LHR-STR, MUC-LHR, LHR-AUH BA
DXB-HKG, HKG-SIN CX
SIN-BNE QF
(, = overnight stop or more)

When the journey includes North America or some Central/South American countries, the entire itinerary is based on the piece allocation system. Under the piece allocation system, you are entitled to two checked pieces as a basic starting point, and additional pieces are allowed by some airlines based on FF status or cabin purchased. These additional piece allowances vary by airline.

Under the piece system, each airline is free to determine the maximum weight they will permit for each piece. Qantas recently reduced this from 32kg to 23kg. AA and BA have limited to 23kg for some time now.

When checking-in for multiple connecting sectors using different airlines, you are generally limited to the per-piece weight of the first airline of the connecting flights and they will also generally allow any FF status based additional pieces to be checked through as well. But note that subsequent check-ins may be limited to the per-piece weight limit and FF status additional allowances for the check-in airline and not your home FF airline, the first airline in the itinerary or the ticket issuing airline. Its based on the check-in airline.

However, some people have been able to successfully convince check-in agents to allow per-piece weights in excess of the check-in airline's limit based on higher limits set by other airlines in the itinerary. But that is not guaranteed or a defined policy, so don't expect that it will always happen.

If your journey uses the piece system the ticket should show "2PC" or similar under the Allowance field.

If the journey does not include countries that use the piece system, then you are bound by the weight system. Qantas recently changed their weight system limits to align more closely with their new piece system per-piece limit and with other airlines. You are generally limited to 23kg as non-status economy passenger, and additional allowances go up from there for FF status and cabin purchased. Note that for Qantas, no single piece should exceed 23kg, so if you are a Gold FF member and have an additional 10Kg allowance and want to take say 30Kg you will need to have that distributed between at least two checked bags.

On the weight system, you are limited to the weight allowance of each carrying airline and this may vary between sectors. Similarly to the piece system, if checking-in for a multi-carrier journey involving connecting transits you will likely be allowed the allowance of the check-in carrier for the entire connecting journey. So if a Qantas Club member and hence having a total allowance of 33kg in economy and checking-in with Qantas and then having a connection to Cathay Pacific, you will likely be able to check the 33kg to the CX destination. But on return when checking-in with CX you will be limited to 23kg or whatever the CX economy weight limit is for the flight. To take advantage of the Qantas Club additional limit on the return journey you may have to check the bags only to HKG and then re-check with Qantas for the last segment, and may still be charges excess baggage by CX for the journey on CX to HKG.



Thanks NM, but i;m still confused so let me chack.

I am Silver FF, mrsdoc is Silver QC.

Do we get 2pcs on all flights, or only to NYC then we've got BA and CX allowances (i presume 1pc @23kg) for all the other flights,

THEN

last flight = QF flight (one piece = 23kg +10kg but the 10kg must be in another bag?)

The "two pieces" is only until we get to JFK as we are no longer transiting and have a new checkin with BA?


This whole thing is clear as mud to me.
 
Looks like CX is only 20kg - anyone know how strictly they enforce vs 23kg (which everyone else seems to be). :confused:

I'm betting I know the answer! :evil:

Cathay Pacific - Helping You Travel : Baggage Information > Checked Baggage Allowance


above link said:
Locations
Class
Maximum
Combined
Weight
All locations except Americas
First
40kg (88lbs) 3
Business
30kg (66lbs)
Economy
20kg (44lbs)
Infant 2
10kg (22lbs) 4


And BA

23kg plus GBP25 if >23 but <32 (or USD45)


And OW Ruby or QC seems to add nothing to either allowance.


mrsdoc's shopping is going to have to seriously be curtained (or do it all in SIN!).
 
Flights:

BNE-LAX-JFK QF
JFK-LHR, LHR-STR, MUC-LHR, LHR-AUH BA
DXB-HKG, HKG-SIN CX
SIN-BNE QF
(, = overnight stop or more)

...

I am Silver FF, mrsdoc is Silver QC.

Do we get 2pcs on all flights, or only to NYC then we've got BA and CX allowances (i presume 1pc @23kg) for all the other flights,
If these flights are all booked on the same itinerary, then the entire itinerary is based on the piece allowance system. So economy passengers get 2 pieces on all flights, with the max weight per piece determined by the airline being flown on each sector.
THEN

last flight = QF flight (one piece = 23kg +10kg but the 10kg must be in another bag?)
If its all on one itinerary, then its 2 pieces the whole way. So the SIN-BNE flight on QF will be two pieces for travel economy plus one additional piece due to Qantas Silver / Qantas Club membership, making it 3 x 23Kg allowance each.
The "two pieces" is only until we get to JFK as we are no longer transiting and have a new checkin with BA?
If its all booked as one itinerary, then its the piece system for the entire journey. So 2 pieces for the BA and CX flights. BA limit is 23Kg per piece. I am not sure what CX's limit per bag is.
This whole thing is clear as mud to me.
Clear as a squid-infested gold fish bowl
 
Clear as a squid-infested gold fish bowl

One problem/concern/risk is that although you and I might know that the single itinerary leads to a piece system the check in staff may not choose to find that information in your booking hence a slightly nervous wait in the queue...

I do remember my flights from the UK to Oz last year - I checked my BA allowance and was stunned to be advised of my entitlement (per person) of 3x32KG bags :shock:
 
One problem/concern/risk is that although you and I might know that the single itinerary leads to a piece system the check in staff may not choose to find that information in your booking hence a slightly nervous wait in the queue...
It should be clearly shown in the ticket details they will see on their screen. They should not need to go looking for it. Should show 2PC for all sectors. No need to be nervous.
 
Oh dear, i'm not sure if i should tell mrsdoc that - x2, x23kg, with a bonus 10kg in SIN? I'd just emailed her about the 20kg allowance! Oops!


I'd say CX are still 20kg per piece. That will be more than enough.


Do you have a link to this explaination of rules? I cant find any decent explaination anywhere.


(will print and take with me - anticipate issues with CX in DXB or HKG). BA can also be tight at LHR but at least there's less of a communication barrier (my inability to converse in the local language is less in LHR than HKG or DXB!)


It is one itinerary (oneworld ATW "low season" Y fare) - got in before the rate rise.

Thanks NM and simongr - agree but if i'm sure hwere i stand, i can argue it, and failing that, pay it and claim it back when i get back (i know, not ideal, but do-able sort-of!).


The issue is my booking on qf.com dont show ANY pieces (system gremlin i suspect).
 
Cant get pic uploaded but text:- it just says "piece" in the itinerary, then when you click on piece, the popup says piece x 2 adults = 0 pcs

text on qf.com popup said:
Baggage

Baggage AllowancePassengers Totalpiecex2 adults = 0 pieces


Additional checked baggage allowances are available for Platinum, Gold, and Silver Frequent Flyers and Qantas Club members on Qantas operated services.
SilverExtra 10 KGS or for the USA or Sth America regions, one extra pieceGoldExtra 10 KGS or for the USA or Sth America regions, one extra piecePlatinumExtra 15 KGS or for the USA or Sth America regions, one extra pieceQantas ClubExtra 10 KGS or for the USA or Sth America regions, one extra piece


Also Found this in the T+Cs on qf.com re: baggage - it would appear only on QF and QFLink flights does the 2 bags within itin allow (my bolding):

qf.com baggage page said:
^ If your itinerary includes a flight to/from the USA, US Territories, South America and Canada via the Pacific you are entitled to two pieces (one piece for infants) of checked baggage on all Qantas and QantasLink operated flights within your itinerary regardless of whether these flights appear on the same or a separate ticket. You will be required to provide proof of your international ticket at check-in indicating travel to/from or via the USA, US Territories, South America or Canada. Valid for the duration of your international ticket, or up to a maximum of 12 months from the date of the first flight to/from the USA, US Territories, South America or Canada – whichever date falls first.

To me this implies must be qf operated (hence i'm back where i started and its no hlep on ba/cx?
 
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Baggage policies:

Cathay Pacific
British Airways
Qantas
American Airlines

As has been stated previously, the entire itinerary is based on the piece system. Its not just the Qantas flights, and its not just the flight to/from USA. Its the entire itinerary that is on the piece system.

I have NEVER had any issue on a OneWorld Explorer with ANY airline or check-in agent not realising the ENTIRE itinerary gets the piece system. I see no reason for you to be concerned about it.
 
Thanks NM - very much more reassuring.

I missed this on cathay (T+C number 1 lists 2pcs up to 23kg each)

cx.com said:
1Applicable if you are travelling to, from or via the USA, Canada, select Central and South American countries.


and this one from ba.com (red=my highlight, bold = their highlight)

ba.com said:
If you have purchased one ticket for the entire journey that includes flights with other airlines:

  • you will receive the most generous allowance available
  • we will recognize the standard weight allowance of the other airline
  • the number of bags must not exceed the allowance for your class of travel for the British Airways flights in your itinerary

Helps when i dont get pulled away halfway through - now able to read closer.

Now just when to tell mrsdoc (and get Amex paid up and ready for a meltdown!)
 
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