Australian Reports of the Virus Spread

[dajop]

As for Victoria's ring of steel, from what I understand it was actually leaky as a colander, but Andrews is far better with his rhetoric than Gladys.

Of course it was, but it was symbolic I guess. Though I think they realised how leaky it could be, there were also secondary checkpoints to check on people who evaded the checkpoints leaving Melbourne, eg between Geelong and Torquay.

And agree re Andrews and his rhetoric, but thinking whether it's vaccinations or lockdowns or mask wearing - good, simple, strong rhetoric is better than being wishy-washy. (If only he'd wheeled that out in early June rather than late July, Vic might have been in a much better position for it).

 

[HappyFlyerFamily]

Maybe we don't have super spreader events because we follow restrictions? The attitude is celebrating the success, but still being alert to the potential threat. Not sure how that translates into anything sinister.

So is the key point that Melbourne/Victoria didn't follow their first lockdown prior to curfew being introduced?

Extending Pushka's analogy, some in Victoria are trying to be the pesky older child.

 

[Milboo]

Why is there a continued obsession with a ring of steel for Sydney just because Melb did it. Vic Police did not support it for Melb from what I understand anyway.

Sydney is in lockdown with restricted movement outside of your LGA. If you’re leaving metro Sydney for work you need evidence, and tested within a defined period. There has to be movement for freight given how much manufacturing is in regional NSW which feeds Sydney.

What exactly is this ring of steel going to achieve that the current measures won’t?

 

[justinbrett]

Why is there a continued obsession with a ring of steel for Sydney just because Melb did it. Vic Police did not support it for Melb from what I understand anyway.

Sydney is in lockdown with restricted movement outside of your LGA. If you’re leaving metro Sydney for work you need evidence, and tested within a defined period. There has to be movement for freight given how much manufacturing is in regional NSW which feeds Sydney.

What exactly is this ring of steel going to achieve that the current measures won’t?

“Ring of Steel” is just language.

It is very easy for NSW POL to track vehicles on the M1 and Pacific Highway between Newcastle and Central Coast (and beyond). It’s probably more effective than having a physical checkpoint.

 

[Must...Fly!]

What exactly is this ring of steel going to achieve that the current measures won’t

Almost certainly nothing. But if you're still foolishly grasping at the straw of COVID zero, then you've got to give everything a go...

 

[nutwood]

“Ring of Steel” is just language.

It is very easy for NSW POL to track vehicles on the M1 and Pacific Highway between Newcastle and Central Coast (and beyond). It’s probably more effective than having a physical checkpoint.

I suppose the question is : are they? If NSW is taking positive action to prevent spread to the regional areas, I wish they'd shout it from the roof tops. That way, other States might be more relaxed and limit their sanctions to Sydney, rather than the entire State.

 

[lovetravellingoz]

But you didn't have a super spreader event.Sydney has had at least 3.

I am not sure what you define as a super-spreading event, but I would have thought that :

• MCG
• AAMI Park
• Ms Frankies

were all super-spreading events?

ie all had a super-spreader attend who infected multiple random people. 2 of them being outdoors which had not been seen on that scale in Australia before.


ie Ms Frankies:

 

[lovetravellingoz]

History repeating?? (for background: newsGP - School COVID clusters are rare – so what can we learn from the Al-Taqwa outbreak?)

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1422807139483938826

I must admit that my heart sank somewhat when I read that name, and I had already mentioned that particular school earlier today as an example of what having HSC students return too early in NSW could do.

The Al-Taqwa College was the sixth biggest cluster in the Victorian Second Wave. So we can only hope that history does not repeat.

 

[jakeseven7]

I must admit that my heart sank somewhat when I read that name, and I had already mentioned that particular school earlier today as an example of what having HSC students return too early in NSW could do.

The Al-Taqwa College was the sixth biggest cluster in the Victorian Second Wave. So we can only hope that history does not repeat.

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Huge school pulls students from all over Melbourne and it sparked other clusters in Wave 2 as well…. Has all the makings of a big fat mess but hopefully this teacher is not a super spreader…

 

[lovetravellingoz]

From Vic DHHS on the Al-Taqwa College Case.

Update: New Community Case​

Public health actions are underway after the Department was notified today of a new COVID-19 case in the community.​

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The case is a teacher at Al-Taqwa College in Truganina. The acquisition source of this case is currently under investigation and household contacts of the case are being urgently tested.​

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The Department will support the school community in partnership with Western Public Health Unit. Transmission risks at the school are being assessed.​

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In the meantime, the school will close, and all students and staff will be instructed via direct communications to get tested and isolate until further notice.​

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The case is isolating and being interviewed. Exposure sites, when confirmed, will be posted online​

 

[Must...Fly!]

Apparently the WA government considers the most likely scenario of the miner is having contracted it from the airport exposure site despite having no certainty on if the person is actually infectious.

To quote the Premier, the most plausible explanation is apparently that a man who already had COVID 15 months ago caught the virus of the man at Perth airport. Who I don't think infected anyone else at that site? Talk about bad luck........

‘Unusual’ positive COVID-19 case has WA authorities scratching their heads

The man transited through Perth Airport at the same time as a traveller from Queensland who later tested positive for the virus. However, the FIFO worker had previously contracted COVID-19 last year.

www.theage.com.au

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Huge school pulls students from all over Melbourne and it sparked other clusters in Wave 2 as well…. Has all the makings of a big fat mess but hopefully this teacher is not a super spreader…

Even if it does not become a significant cluster, with this new case and the recent Traffic Controller (likely to have been outside fleeting transmission with the index case) Cluster that should be enough alarms bell ringings that new cases are going to keep happening and so the vaccination eligibility settings in Victoria need to be relaxed now.

It will be a massive mistake to wait till we have a significant outbreak again in Victoria before ramping up the vaccination rate. October -December is a long, long, way off yet.

 

[Must...Fly!]

Even if it does not become a significant, with this new case and the recent Traffic Controller (likely to have been outside fleeting transmission with the index case) Cluster that should be enough alarms bell ringing that new cases are going to keep happening and so the vaccination eligibility settings in Victoria need to be relaxed now.

The last 16 months weren't enough evidence?

 

[lovetravellingoz]

Arggggggghhhhh

Not good news at all. Evidently the female teacher has been been infectious in the community since last Wednesday

A week infectious with Delta is an age. Potentially 4 to 5 generations.
That may include say 5 days at school.....

Hobsons Bay is adjacent to where the Traffic Controller's partner lives, and so it is quite possibly linked to that cluster.




So far only one exposure site has been listed:

 

[MEL_Traveller]

So is the key point that Melbourne/Victoria didn't follow their first lockdown prior to curfew being introduced?

Extending Pushka's analogy, some in Victoria are trying to be the pesky older child.

You make a good point. Come to think of it the lockdown where the curfew was introduced certainly brought home the seriousness of the lockdown. The apparent 'confusion' suffered by many did somewhat disappear from that point on.

 

[MelMel]

Arggggggghhhhh

Not good news at all. Evidently the female teach has been been infectious in the community since last Wednesday

A week infectious with Delta is an age. Potentially 4 to 5 generations.
That may include say 5 days at school.....

Hobsons Bay is adjacent to where the Traffic Controller's partner lives, and so it is quite possibly linked to that cluster.

I have a feeling it may be linked to the Traffic Controller. New case in their 20‘s shopped at Coles in Yarraville - I believe the TC stopped at 7-11 in Yarraville the morning after staying at his partner’s place

 

[lovetravellingoz]

I have a feeling it may be linked to the Traffic Controller. New case in their 20‘s shopped at Coles in Yarraville - I believe the TC stopped at 7-11 in Yarraville the morning after staying at his partner’s place

Yes my thoughts too and the exposure site it is next door to that. But there are also other TC Cluster Exposure sites nearby.

This case lives somewhere in Hobsons Bay = green shaded zone below.

So she may have caught it direct from TC or via others. So there could well be cases in this zone, plus then at the school and radiating from it out from it (ie see the recent Trinity Grammar Cluster or St Patricks or Bacchus Marsh in the current outbreak all with quite limited exposure days). We can only hope that she is part of the 80% who are not too infectious. A week is a long time for a super-spreader to be out and about.

 

[moa999]

I am not sure what you define as a super-spreading event, but I would have thought that :

• MCG
• AAMI Park
• Ms Frankies

All definitional. But I think Vic was fortunate that both MCG and AAMI were under 10 ppl given the crowds.
Frankie's was definitely a super spreader.

But NSW had Hoxton Park which was 30+ on Day 3 and unfortunately not detected until about 7 days later.

And then later the 50-person wake (illegal but understandable) which was a massive spreader back into other households in the SW.

 

[Seat0B]

I suppose the question is : are they? If NSW is taking positive action to prevent spread to the regional areas, I wish they'd shout it from the roof tops. That way, other States might be more relaxed and limit their sanctions to Sydney, rather than the entire State.

And also the ACT as Vic and SA regard us as part of NSW at the moment.

 

[jakeseven7]

Even if it does not become a significant cluster, with this new case and the recent Traffic Controller (likely to have been outside fleeting transmission with the index case) Cluster that should be enough alarms bell ringings that new cases are going to keep happening and so the vaccination eligibility settings in Victoria need to be relaxed now.

It will be a massive mistake to wait till we have a significant outbreak again in Victoria before ramping up the vaccination rate. October -December is a long, long, way off yet.

Oh agreed, could you just drop ATAGI a note to clock into 2021 when they have a second, that would be awesome, ta.