Australian Philip Kirsch grounded after 9/11 bomb prank

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And the tool of the week award goes to...

news.com.au said:
A MAN on a September 11 flight from Brisbane to the US used the aircraft's in-flight chatroom to tell his fellow passengers "I have a bomb".

Philip Kirsch, 21, yesterday pleaded guilty in the Brisbane Magistrates Court to a charge of making threats regarding aviation security after his "joke" onboard V Australia flight 007 to Los Angeles on Thursday.

http://www.news.com.au/travel/story/0,28318,26065825-5014090,00.html

Mr!

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I wonder why he didnt have to pay the full 21K - or will that be a civil claim. I also wonder now if the other pax can sue him fr damages due to their delays...
 
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You Sir (not you munitalP!) are an absolute dipstick. Or perhaps Tool is a better word?

(Had to tone my compliment down due to him being a mechanic).
 
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In the Brisbane paper the article mentioned that he had been put on a "banned for life" list.

Does anyone know if that is all airlines or just Virgin?

I was thinking it was just a Virgin list.
 
Not sure whether this has been reported here yet.
Australian Philip Kirsch grounded after 9/11 bomb prank | Travel News | News.com.au
A MAN on a September 11 flight from Brisbane to the US used the aircraft's in-flight chatroom to tell his fellow passengers "I have a bomb".

Philip Kirsch, 21, yesterday pleaded guilty in the Brisbane Magistrates Court to a charge of making threats regarding aviation security after his "joke" onboard V Australia flight 007 to Los Angeles on Thursday.

What a pratt.:evil:
 
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So much for his love life also as I very much doubt he will ever been allowed to visit his girlfriend in the USA again after such a stupid act.
 
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Magistrate Alan Taylor said said:
there could have been up to 100 people on the aircraft.

That seems like a light load. Has anyone been on these empty flights?
 
We seem to be awfully soft on people who make jokes about bombs on board planes, or have threatening behaviour.

Cases in point:
  • Woman on JQ flight who assaults an FA. Pleads out-of-character; let off with small fine and less than one year good behaviour bond. No conviction.
  • Footy player jokingly asks mate "where the bombs are". Let off without anything from both law and club.
  • This case. A slightly larger fine than the JQ woman and slightly longer good behaviour bond. Again, no conviction, but now on VA's or possibly the Virgin group's blacklist. This person was younger than the JQ woman, and I think the JQ woman isn't on anyone's blacklist.

I wonder what the result would have been like had he done it the other way around, i.e. from LAX in a US jurisdiction rather than in BNE in an Australian jurisdiction.

One of the repercussions if a conviction were recorded would probably be that he'd almost find it hard if not impossible to enter any country in at least the Western world for a number of years if not indefinitely. Not that I would not have minded a result as such.

I wonder if this will also have repercussions on him trying to fly other airlines, although since no conviction was recorded, unless the other airlines were savvy to the media or airlines somehow record or share such information, he will probably have no trouble flying anything (except for VA) or anywhere.



Finally, for once, NoNews comes up with a hyperbole title that I really wish was true.
 
:evil::evil:

This guy got off way too easily. Should have been banned from flying any carrier for at least a few years for a stupid incident like this.
 
This guy got off way too easily. Should have been banned from flying any carrier for at least a few years for a stupid incident like this.

Banning all stupid people from flights would be good, but assuming this is not going to happen, I don't see any validitity for such an overreaction

The person performed a stupid act and has been given a penalty that would seem reasonable by the judge.

Based on the compensation payable ( 1500 out of a claimed cost of 2100 ), I wonder whether the judge might be questioning whether the action taken of the flight was appropriate. Did the crew make a reasonable evaluation of the situation and react accordingly or did they overreact

Dave
 
It begs the question then as to how far would one take a prank before at least a conviction is recorded?

Conditions being: not a serial prankster/previous convictions, the prank does not kill or hurt anyone physically, no real bombs or real threats loaded.


Can you imagine a "Chaser's" defence, akin to anything that The Chaser's War on Everything has done - no matter how (apparently or not) grievous, "insensitive" or illegal - has never been convicted, in the name of humour. Not sure how they wriggled out of some of them, although the weight of society supporting them certainly helps in some regard. I guess it's much harder when you haven't really made a name of yourself (excepting that when you get caught).


Basically, it seems that in this country, you can pull off air transport pranks and, as long as it is really a prank (i.e. no bombs) and no one gets hurt or killed, the most you can expect is a fine, a good behaviour bond and perhaps being blacklisted by one or some airlines. No conviction. Frankly not a huge punishment for the sake of a laugh, some temporary infamy or a page and article in NoNews.

Rather unpleasant precedent to be mulling over, isn't it?
 
Are we quoting entire articles from external sources now?

Anyway I think he should have at least been fined the amount of the loss suffered by the airline. That would seem fair, surely...
 
I wonder why he didnt have to pay the full 21K - or will that be a civil claim. I also wonder now if the other pax can sue him fr damages due to their delays...

Under what legal grounds? Distress? Punitive damages? Loss of utility of product (i.e. a holiday paid for)? Hardly!

This isn't LOTFAP and even then this holds little water anyway.

If the pax wanted any justice, the best they can hope for is to find and egg him. But that's assault....... (which may be criminal depending on what kind and how many eggs are used)

Banning all stupid people from flights would be good, but assuming this is not going to happen, I don't see any validitity for such an overreaction

That you cannot do - fine - but not all "stupid" people pull a prank like this.

Based on the compensation payable ( 1500 out of a claimed cost of 2100 ), I wonder whether the judge might be questioning whether the action taken of the flight was appropriate. Did the crew make a reasonable evaluation of the situation and react accordingly or did they overreact

At a principles level that seems an OK argument, but at a more practical level I would like to think what would be a reasonable evaluation?

Do you think the FAs should have fronted up to him, told him to stop else risk removal, then diplomatically assure all the other pax who reported him that it was merely a prank? Do you really think that the other pax would be so easily allayed? Especially given that it was the anniversary of a serious related disaster?

Or perhaps the pax making the threat should be kept under watch as a full scale search of the hold is made, then a same one of the cabin. If the threat is found, evacuate the craft and arrest the perpetrator, else warn the prankster and let him fly.

I find both of these approaches unsatisfactory.

In saying all of this, the airline might have been confounded to act the way it did. It is probably in the airline's best interests (at least for its public face) to take a hardline approach after pax had notified FAs of the "threat". The airline might be accused of being soft or being ill-placed to deal with a real threat if it did happen. Also, the airline was acting in accordance with the law and in accordance with relevant airline/airport operating protocols which are also detailed to pax, so what's the big deal.

The hardline approach has severe flaws as well, viz. the US PATRIOT act and its misuse. However, in this case, the accused had a right to due process, unlike accusations under the PATRIOT act.
 
At a principles level that seems an OK argument, but at a more practical level I would like to think what would be a reasonable evaluation?

Do you think the FAs should have fronted up to him, told him to stop else risk removal, then diplomatically assure all the other pax who reported him that it was merely a prank? Do you really think that the other pax would be so easily allayed? Especially given that it was the anniversary of a serious related disaster?

I would hope that an airline captain should have enough intelligence to be able to assess the situation and act accordingly. I do not necessarily think that diverting is always the appropriate action and that it may be more appropriate to have the offender arrested on arrival at the destination

Dave
 
Me thinks he is very lucky he wasn't flying an American airline with a Sky marshall on board, a body hit with a low charge 9mm would "smart" a wee bit..........

Cheers Dee
 
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That seems like a light load. Has anyone been on these empty flights?

+1 That is a very light load for a V-Aus 777....

Hope we aren't going to see even further cutbacks and cancellations on that route!!

(Edit: all though imagine how comfortable the flight would be with only 100 on board!)
 
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What a douche, heard about it on the radio this morning.

How far out of Brisbane were they though, or had they not left yet, and also, what DO you use an in-flight chat room for? Arranging to meet random strangers in the loos?
 
I can't imagine how anyone could seriously think there wasm any really threat. For a start, he said he had a bomb, but there is not quote of him saying he would actually use the bomb. Second someone who is has bad intentions isn't going to advertise the fact, are they? Unless they are jumping up then and there to take control of the aircraft.

It also sounds like the aircraft was still on the ground. So I think an over reaction by whoever. They should ahve just handed him over to the police and been doen with it.

Having said all that the guy got everything he deserved and he probably deserved more as well. What are really stupid, purile joke. If you're going to make a joke at least try to be funny.
 
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